IVA: Set Minimum Sentences For Pervs

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  Charlie on January 27 at 11:51 a.m.

  Yes I do. Anybody that would abuse a child whether it be sexual or physical needs a lot of time in jail. How many times did the perp get away with it before being caught? They to may be Bubba’s cell mate.
  I also think that anybody that commits a crime with a weapon gets time and a lot more time if someone is hurt or killed. No slap on the wrist.

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  Joker on January 27 at 11:51 a.m.

  I support execution for child molesters. Hurt a kid, you die.

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  Cindy_H on January 27 at 12:02 p.m.

  Just waiting to see how long it will take for commenters who uncontrollably salivate, palpitate and hallucinate every time IVA/Fischer is front paged, to find something evil in mandantory minimum sentences for pervs…

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  poolman on January 27 at 12:11 p.m.

  Here you go Cindy.

  An example of many of these cases is an 18-19 year old boy who goes a little too far with a 16-17 year old girl. The girl’s parents find out and decide, in a fit of guilt and rage, to throw the book at the boy. Does this kid deserve the same punishment as a scout leader who rapes little boys while attending a jamboree? No - and “mandatory minimum” is an asinine term. Judges and prosecutors need to have discretion in these matters because they are all different.

  How is this logic flawed? If it is I would have or could have had a “mandatory minimum” sentence for relations I had with my wife (of 20 years)

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  Joker on January 27 at 12:17 p.m.

  Judges should have discretion for teenage romance. However, they should also have the ability to sentence pervs to death. No therapy, group hug or chemical castration. Just point and click…

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  nidahodave on January 27 at 12:22 p.m.

  Actually Poolman’s example doesn’t match the proposed legislation. According to the Idaho Statesman article of January 26, Lawmakers may look at sentences for child abusers, “Idaho lawmakers might consider setting mandatory minimum sentences for people convicted of lewd conduct with a minor younger than 16 and sexual abuse of a child younger than 16.” So a “18-19 year old boy who goes a little too far with a 16-17 year old girl” wouldn’t fall within the proposal.

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  Joker on January 27 at 12:26 p.m.

  I agree with Bob. Idaho’s daycare laws suck. For such a conservative state, one would think they’d be interested in protecting kids.

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  Cindy_H on January 27 at 12:32 p.m.

  No fair poolman. You employed logic and reason and I don’t even think your blood pressure is elevated.
  At least Bob didn’t disappoint. He even got elderly women eating Alpo, thanks to BF. The analogy stumbles a bit though, because everyone knows in Athol Alpo on Saltines is a highly anticipated appetizer.
  .

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  Joker on January 27 at 12:35 p.m.

  Bob’s post disappeared into thin air? What gives. It’s a rare day that I agree with him.

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  Bob on January 27 at 12:36 p.m.

  Wow. Why did my post get deleted?

  I’m starting to believe there is something to the whole DFO/BF conspiracy.

  Mine wasn’t libelous in the least.

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  Cindy_H on January 27 at 12:37 p.m.

  I think you crossed the line with liver chunks.
  Just saying.

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  Bob on January 27 at 12:39 p.m.

  OK, add one more issue DFO agrees with BF on and will delete any post that contradicts it:

  Idaho should not pass laws requiring convicted sex offenders to be screened for daycares and babysitting services.

  Wow. Extremism in the pursuit of Godly wackiness is still extremism.

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  DFO on January 27 at 12:40 p.m.

  Bob; I sent your comment back to you to remove the obvious crude initials you used to refer to Fischer. You think I’m that naive? Otherwise, the post was all right. Basically, the conspiracy boils down to the inability of some of you on the Left to discuss certain people or things without name calling. Some conspiracy.

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  Bob on January 27 at 12:41 p.m.

  Well, I’ve used that exact same one before in here in reference to BFer and his IVA. Old ladies do make up the donating constituency of many of these religious charlatans and many are on fixed incomes and many could possibly end up eating Alpo to give more and more to their charlatan du jour.

  Just sayin. :-)

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  Bob on January 27 at 12:41 p.m.

  It’s just short for Bryan Fischer! OMG I can’t believe you read something nasty into that. Wash your eyes with soap!

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  Bob on January 27 at 12:42 p.m.

  I refuse to edit the beauty of my prosaic wonder. It can live lost in the ethernet forever.

  I don’t fix things.

  (sniffs)

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  Sisyphus on January 27 at 12:57 p.m.

  Holy Mary mother of god he’s got an itchy delete trigger doesn’t he? Here’s some more for you Cindy, mandatory minimums have been an appealing way for politicos to look tough on crime. What they don’t tell you is how they are going to pay for them. Warehousing criminals is the state’s second biggest ticket item on the budget and largely due to the failure of the biggest ticket item education. But manadatory minimums fix a penalty despite how unfair it may be, as poolman indicated, and fill our very expensive prisons. Moreover its a solution in search of a problem. 99% of Idaho sentences handed down by judges fit the crime taking into consideration of mitigating and aggravating circumstances. If a Judge fails, the victims surely won’t let the judge get re-elected.

  Taking discretion away from a Judge and giving it to Bryan Fischer is a ludicrous proposition to start with. But doing so unnecessarily and at great cost is bone headed.

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  Sisyphus on January 27 at 1:00 p.m.

  And what’s the deal of protecting Bryan? He rarely comments here. We get why you front page him routinely but you gotta remember that you asked for it.

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  scootermom on January 27 at 1:13 p.m.

  I trust judges. In my experience they sentence appropriately, taking into account the crime and the offender.

  I don’t think a 57 year old male who has intercourse with a fifteen year old female should be treated exactly the same as a seventeen or eighteen year old male who has intercourse with a fifteen year old female.

  Also, if protection of society is the goal, rather than just punishment, you have to consider the offender and the type of victim. Some offenders only molest their own children (icky, but true) and removing that person from the home until the children grow up and leave will do the trick.

  This isn’t a one size fits all world, and mandatory sentencing just doesn’t produce justice in some circumstances.

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  DFO on January 27 at 1:19 p.m.

  >We get why you front page him routinely but you gotta remember that you asked for it — Sisyphus.<

  Sisyphus; what I’m asking for is a passionate discussion — not a thread of name-calling that swirls around the toilet bowl. I’ve killed 2 posts over the last 2 days re: IVA posts. Each post was fine, except for the gratuitous name calling, in one instance, and borderline libel, in the other. With the lightest of editting, each post would have worked. Meanwhile, the Left Bank has vented its spleen against Fischer fairly effectively in other posts. Now, you Left Bankers constantly remind the rest of us peons here that you’re way more intelligent than we are. So, I expect you way-more-intelligent beings to be able to figure a way to make your point and even fire a dig or two without going over the line. Bob’s pretty good at it (although he regularly tests this blog’s mores). I don’t think it’s that difficult. I’ve been dealing with all sorts of unpleasant posts for 5 years, and I’ve been able to communicate my points, for the most part, without being uncivil.

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  toadman on January 27 at 1:38 p.m.

  “Now, you Left Bankers constantly remind the rest of us peons here that you’re way more intelligent than we are.”

  Whoa.. dave.. go take a walk for a bit.. chill out.. have a cup of joe… I’m not saying any of that… ok?

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  Sisyphus on January 27 at 1:54 p.m.

  Oh now Davey, neener neener neener.

  Step right up folks and take a gander as Dave the monkey trainer cracks his whip and makes the liberal monkeys dance in a beautifully choreographed spectacle of whining and cajoling. First he motivates them with a little red meat ala the IVA, lil’ Adam, and whatever Drudge can dredge. Then watch them dance with glee. Should these dangerous yet bizarrely intelligent monkeys bare their teeth these salivating, palpitating and hallucinating hyena-like creatures will be sternly admonished and even deleted into oblivion lest these ingrates do permanent damage to the sensitive blurking audience, the brain addled following from two day old archives, or, heaven forbid, the non-avatar carrying subjects of this incarnation deigning to join the infested cage. All for your edification, illumination and gratification. Nobody gets hurt except the snippets of cleverly ordained shorthand truthfilled monickers and the only cost is your soul.

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  DFO on January 27 at 1:59 p.m.

  See, Sisyphus; you can get in a dig without resorting to overt name calling. I’m so … so … so proud of you. Sniff!

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  thomg57 on January 27 at 2:03 p.m.

  good thread.

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  Sisyphus on January 27 at 2:38 p.m.

  Now see, I could give a flying frick that Joker wrote that Sis is a turd. He’s the turd on the bowl that won’t go down. He’s the turd that leaves a stain so yucky it needs to be scrubbed with a brush. He’s the turd that smells so bad, you have to call in HZMAT.

  You leaving it up shows that you’re just monkeying with me. ;-) Regardless how accurate its not even a little bit clever. But you maim us by brandishing your delete button like a meat cleaver. Where is George Carlin when you need him? Oh yeah.

  Did you know you can’t write gobbly g00k on HBO? What up with that?

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  toadman on January 27 at 2:46 p.m.

  Wow.. so much for civil discourse today.

  What the hell is going on here? I think everyone needs to just calm down and take their meds. People of every political persuasion need to have respect for their counterparts. If not, the whole crap-house is gonna go up in flames, ok?

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  DFO on January 27 at 2:51 p.m.

  >You leaving it up shows that you’re just monkeying with me. ;-) — Sisyphus?<

  Moi? ;-)

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  Cindy_H on January 27 at 3:16 p.m.

  Sis, your 1:54 post was beautiful. Filled with truth, wit and salvia. And monkeys. And hyenas. Just lovely.
  Thank you for sharing. Red Rover Red Rover send Sisy right over :-)

  (I’m ignoring the turd ode. I hear enough poop analogies at home. My second born frequently tells his brother, “You’re a poop stain on the underwear of my life.”)

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  Sisyphus on January 27 at 3:48 p.m.

  Salvia? There was no groundcover or flowers of any kind. What? Are you Glenda the good witch to Dave’s monkey trainer? Or you just liked seeing your adjectives in my prose.

  Yah, what’s with men and the dooty? That reminds me. I wonder how Bubbles is coming along. We should check on the chemo progress.

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  thawtfulreader on January 27 at 8:04 p.m.

  Uh, wow. So much vitriol.

  Anyway as to the issue at hand, first of all I most point out that the eastern Idaho LDS Church controlled Boy Scouts, both locally and at very high levels, was complicit in the molestations and child rapes that Stowell did. They covered up what he had done early on, and broke their own rules on how allegations of molestation are supposed to be handled. The Boy Scouts have had to pay out 100s of thousands of dollars in settlements to victims.

  One should look into the sentencing Judge’s background as to why this creep Stowell got such a light sentence… That was a HIGH profile case, which also blew wide open the LDS Church and Boy Scouts’ responsibility not just in that case, but many others.

  Regardless of length of sentence, most offenders ARE going to be released at some point, except perhaps repeat (convicted) offenders if Idaho has a “3 strikes you’re out law” or something like it.

  http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003849264_boyscoutside23m.html

  How do we protect the community when these sexual offenders, including ones deemed very likely to offend, are released?

  About the only organization that has done outstanding work in this area, mostly in Canada, but some in the States too, is the Mennonite Church. Their Circles of Support and Accountability program has reduced sexual offender recidivism by 70%, according to several studies.

  “COSA is a “coordinated approach to sexual offender reintegration” and has expanded internationally over ten years. Sections contained in this report include: executive summary; introduction; evaluation — do circles work?; study one — method; results according to core members, circle volunteers, and professional/agency members; discussion; study two — method; results for demographic variables, time at risk, recidivism, and the area under the curve; discussion; and conclusion and future directions. “Overall, COSA participants have been responsible for considerably less sexual, violent, and general offending in comparison to their matched compatriots, ultimately contributing to savings both financially and, more importantly, in regard to human suffering” ”

  http://www.nicic.org/Library/021192

  The Mennonite Church takes very seriously, and thus emulates in the real world, in deeds, the core teachings of Jesus Christ.

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