ITHO: Miscarriage Bill Clears Hurdle

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  scootermom on March 18 at 9:42 a.m.

  Oppose.

  Fischer’s agenda is to undermine reproductive rights. I don’t think he’s doing this out of “concern” for grieving women, but to create fetal “personhood” and launch an attack on abortion.

  If Fischer is for something … something is fishy.

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  Aliasjax on March 18 at 9:44 a.m.

  “She explained that the purpose of the bill is to provide a means of comfort and closure to the mother, and grant some official recognition of the humanness of her baby”

  I’m indifferent to the stated goal of the legislation; however, I doubt very seriously that parents, upon losing a child are going to find great comfort in “official” state recognition of its “humanness.”

  However, the real objective of this bill is to chip away at abortion. If miscarried fetuses have official, state recognized humanness, it will be argued, then fetuses have rights, including a right to life, thereby making abortion an illegal violation of that right.

  This is politics, people, not a feel good act of kindness in parents’ time of need.

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  Sisyphus on March 18 at 9:47 a.m.

  I think most Idahoans are confused by the bill. Why would you give a death certificate to one who lacks a birth certificate? All you really need to do is see the cast of characters supporting it, Randy Jackson David Ripley, Bryan Fischer and of course the sponsor Loertscher. This is nothing more than a cynical attempt to establish a public policy reflecting some sort of legal rights for the unborn. The goal is to eventually convince Idaho to make an assault on Roe v. Wade on the taxpayer dime. So the question is do we wanna continue to allow Fischer to pervert government for his own twisted ends?

  http://www.idahostatesman.com/newsupdates/story/701786.html

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  toadman on March 18 at 9:51 a.m.

  scootermom’s right. This would create a problematic precedent, to say the least. Fischer is working his angle in an insidious and manipulative manner, like he always does.

  This will not ease the pain and anguish of miscarriage.

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  DFO on March 18 at 9:55 a.m.

  >Why would you give a death certificate to one who lacks a birth certificate? — Sisyphus<

  As someone who has lost a full-term child at birth, Sisyphus, I can guarantee you that there is a benefit to grieving parents to have such a certificate. In fact, I didn’t know such a certificate was available. I might check into getting one. I still have a birth/death notification re: my daughter from the Lewiston Tribune from February 1984. That, her ashes, and my memories of the short time we had with her are all that I have that she existed. A certificate would be nice. You might see this only in terms of state policy b/c you distain the cast of characters supporting it. I see it otherwise.

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  scootermom on March 18 at 10:04 a.m.

  DFO. I’m sorry for your loss.

  Currenly, certificates of stillbirth are created for any fetal death at more than 20 weeks gestation. I understand that twenty weeks is more or less the point of viability. This bill would allow a woman to request a certificate of early fetal death for a miscarriage at any stage of gestation.

  I certainly didn’t intend to diminish your loss and I am sorry that my words weren’t more measured.

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  Sisyphus on March 18 at 10:10 a.m.

  Not to minimize your loss Dave, but your assertion comes as no surprise and is case in point. I’m thinking that if an official document from the Idaho Bureau of Vital Statistics would make it any more or less real for you then we definitely have different views on sacramental moments and the proper role of government. But you knew that didn’t you?

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  DFO on March 18 at 10:14 a.m.

  Sisyphus; I’m also not surprised that you oppose anything offered by pro-lifers.

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  Cabbage Boy on March 18 at 10:16 a.m.

  I agree with Ajax, getting a “official” certificate wouldn’t mean a hill of beans. We have lost a child to an early miscarriage. I certainly didn’t seek out any state agency to comfort us in our grief.

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  Sisyphus on March 18 at 10:18 a.m.

  Thanks Dave, I’m glad that’s settled.

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  Kage_Mann on March 18 at 10:35 a.m.

  “This is politics, people, not a feel good act of kindness in parents’ time of need”.

  So what? If they can pass legislation to help make a dent in making abortion illegal, while validating the existence of a loved one.Sounds like a good bill to me.

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  Frum Helen Back on March 18 at 1:23 p.m.

  My daughter-in-law and son lost a baby boy when she was four months along. It was devastating to them. I was there when the doctor told them the baby had died and we all cried. After delivering the baby there was someone at Kootenai who took pictures of the hand sized baby and I still have the one I was given. He had a bleeding disorder and looked like a little alien, but he was our little alien.

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  sue on March 18 at 3:40 p.m.

  This is a political sneak attack at abortion rights nothing less. Funny how those who try to project such pious righteousness are the very worst at telling the truth. How many women slough off fertilized eggs without even knowing about that little “person”? There’s no piece of paper the state or government could provide in the way of comfort for a grieving parent that would lessen that grief. This is a sham, but no surprise therel.

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