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HMO: Regular HBO Posters Are Lefties

Posted by DFO

May 7, 2009 6 a.m. • 127 comments

HMOsuite: As most of the frequent posters here are aligned with the far liberal left, most of what I post is simply objected to, mocked and ridiculed. Or, I am attacked as being a “wing nut”, simply “spewing Hannity and Rush”, and besides, “Bush was worse”. etc. etc. The paranoia associated with the defense of Obama here is astounding. Any actual intelligent discussion of an item that I may have posted is simply not in the cards. Quite sad really.

Question: Do the commenters on this blog lean to the left or to the right. Or are they fairly balanced?

127 comments on this post so far. Add yours!

Cabbage Boy on May 07 at 7:08 a.m.
Those that talk politics are pretty hard core lefties. There are a few reasonable commenters left. :)
- HMO, strong fiscal conservative that isn’t afraid to bring up Obama’s shortcomings.
- Joker, haven’t quite pegged him. Sometime conservative, socially liberal I think.
- OfCoffee, reserved, but conservative.
Gary I., conservative but more here to poke fun at the local libs.
Charlie, rather new and I don’t have much of an opinion.

Myself of course, and there are a few independent thinkers that aren’t afraid to point out Obama’s flaws althought they tend to lean liberal.

I think what HMO is pointing out is the shrill factor. The people that get all bent out of shape over criticism of Obama are the same that did the same or worse to Bush.

Me? I don’t care for either of them.
misc on May 07 at 7:15 a.m.
It definitely leans to the left. I suspect that’s because conservatives in this day and age have a harder time defending their positions.

And that’s because they’re wrong much of the time.

:)
otisgexperience on May 07 at 7:19 a.m.
I have always found it interesting that a news/gossip blog in a fairly staunch Republican area, run by a (former?) staunch Republican, always seems to be dominated by “liberal” discussions.

While I still wonder where I fit in politically, I did vote for Obama. HMOsuite constantly bashes Obama, and then seems surprised that people bash back.

However, HMOsuite is a big reason I check in here everyday. I think most of what he says is crap, but it’s a side that needs to be represented here. Local gossip, political bashing, and spreading salt on hurt feelings is really what HBO is all about. Whether or not we want to admit it, that’s why we’re here. And DFO knows it, and loves it. :)
Arch_Druid on May 07 at 7:34 a.m.
Let’s put it bluntly, the “wing nut” is “always right” and everyone else “is to the left of him.” That’s what I always have to love about the certitudes of radicals.

I’d have to say that HBO is balanced. We do have lefties, we have the new lefties (Hmoffsuite included), and we have the centrists (of a more conservative bent). I am a centrist that leans rightward. But then, I also guess that depends on what the definition of “right” means politically in this day and age. 20 years ago, I would have been “right wing” indeed. Now the ideologues have moved those goal posts by considerable—ref Hmoffsuite.
idawa on May 07 at 7:35 a.m.
the site does seem to go through phases doesn’t it? But generally the libs seem to stick it out while the conservatives get frustrated at retreat. Where do they go, I don’t know, but probably where they don’t have to defend their ideology. I think that conservatives in Idaho just get used to being conservative without having to think about it, this site is probably one of the few places that challenges their suppositions - some can take it, some can’t. Oh, and you can tell that HMO doesn’t know many lefties if he thinks the majority of the poster s here are aligned with the far, liberal left - left perhaps, but from where I’m from, most of this stuff is pretty moderate.

Overall I just think the libs are able to out wit, out last, and out post. Despite running off the liberal patriarch that was the bain of the right on this blog, TUBOB, I don’t think this site turned into to the good old republican coffee klatch some were probably hoping for.
Don_Sausser on May 07 at 7:41 a.m.
Well, it seems that HBO commentors lean a little left but it may be an issue of quantity.

Rarely can a leftie make their points in one or two sentences :}
Arch_Druid on May 07 at 7:47 a.m.
Suggest Sausser start Twittering then. Since he can reduce ideology to one or two sentences. LOL!
Phaedrus on May 07 at 7:50 a.m.
most of what I post is simply objected to, mocked and ridiculed.

I have noticed that you often post incorrect information, or extremely right biased comments that I hear while listening to Fox “News” and then you attempt to justify the factually incorrect, or misleading information by inserting ‘imo’ at the end of the comment. Kage Mann has begun to follow that pattern as well. Most of the other people who comment here aren’t fooled by the simplistic ‘imo’ and request information that supports your ‘imo’. A conservative like Cabbage Boy is not mocked or ridiculed because he doesn’t repeat right wing talking points as ‘imo’, his comments are consistent, conservative, appear to be deeply held and intelligent.
Kage_Mann on May 07 at 7:50 a.m.
When I first come on here, HBO leaned way to the left, especially last summer.While, there is a little more equality;it still
leans to the left by far.A couple of liberal ‘attack dogs’ left and made this place more hospitable for republicans and I never backed away from a good discussion. ;-)
Bent on May 07 at 7:51 a.m.
HMO, it is more about who you choose to engage.The extremists are easy targets on this blog. If want to argue with someone, its the extremists who usually take the bait pretty easily. I don’t think the blog is any more left than it is right, but I have noticed a tendency of the left to dogpile a commenter like a pack of wolves if they sense there is an attempt to discredit their party. And the righties like you continue to feed that behavior… Sometimes is better to just make your point and walk away. Of course, if its laden with partisan rhetoric, someone will take issue with it, and then it’s up to you to engage it or not.
BethB on May 07 at 7:53 a.m.
Funny, Don! I laughed out loud.

I think it depends on the topic. The torture thing really got me going. And, um, hmm, I’m on the left side of things (hey, I volunteered for Obama in eight different states - first time ever to volunteer for a campaign). But other topics, I see more conservative comments, and I tend not to feel the need to add my two cents. And then what about the Blurkers? (people who read but don’t comment). Oh, and don’t forget the poll that DFO took, to give Obama a grade for his first 100 days. A ton of people on this blog gave Obama an F. An F?? You don’t think that’s a partisan grade?
Arch_Druid on May 07 at 7:55 a.m.
Yeah, I actually like Cabbage Boy for his comments. Even the some time occasions when I disagree with him. He is in the same centrist area of conservative that I am. One that doesn’t go off the deep end. With Cabbage boy, you can actually have a DISCUSSION! :)
Charlie on May 07 at 7:55 a.m.
There is a “port” tilt and Don Sausser brings up a point about the left trying to bury the dissenters with words. The old saying, “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle with Bravo Sierra.” Short, sweet and to a point. I have heard that from several posters who then proceed to write a book.

I consider myself a conservative, not a Republican or Democrat. I vote for the best person who will be best for the people.
redman on May 07 at 7:58 a.m.
Most posters are hard core left leaning. I feel HMO’s pain however the blog has become so much more civil than in the past that there is actually discussion and an exchange of ideas or comments without the usual drivil from the old long gone sparkplugs
Cabbage Boy on May 07 at 7:59 a.m.
Well said Don.

And Phaedrus, thank you for the effusive praise.
Fishwife on May 07 at 7:59 a.m.
You can’t deny that the uber conservatives have provided plenty of material. Overall, I think this is an equal opportunity blog with some targets bigger than others, e.g., Nonini, Harwood, et. al.
northidahonative on May 07 at 8:00 a.m.
“”Well, it seems that HBO commentors lean a little left but it may be an issue of quantity.

Rarely can a leftie make their points in one or two sentences :}”“

Conservatives do tend to make shorter posts, of course after 30 years of never changing opinions and never a new idea they have their talking points down pretty pat. Where they run into trouble is when they have to defend those posts.
Arch_Druid on May 07 at 8:01 a.m.
Sometimes Charlie, you have to have words to explain why you agree or disagree. But if Don Sausser has cause to take issue with the length of the post, it isn’t the length, but whether the person has intelligently stated his or her position. Sometimes it can be done in one or two sentences, and sometimes it takes paragraphs. It depends on what needs to be said.
Kage_Mann on May 07 at 8:02 a.m.
I think that this Crap about right-wing talking points being regurgitated from Hannity is a weak attempt from the left at trying to discredit someones view.
BethB on May 07 at 8:04 a.m.
On the wordiness… When my posts get long, it’s because there is a lot to say - nuances, more than black or white. I would not try to “bury” in words because I don’t have a point, nor do I see that tendency in others. I AM committed to staying short when I can, though. And sorry to everyone if my posts get long…
Arch_Druid on May 07 at 8:09 a.m.
Kage_Mann if you hold a credible view it can’t be DIScredited. And I have seen as many attacks on another person’s view by the so-called “conservatives” with ref to Hmoffsuite dismissing all other posters as various shades of leftie (and therefore their views are easily discredited as a result). There are plenty of credible views in conservative politics. The problem for the “conservatives” however, is that they don’t even believe in their own ideology. And that is why Hmoffsuite can get critiqued. And then complain about it.
Kage_Mann on May 07 at 8:13 a.m.
I also, think CB avoids political threads for the most part and sticks to a centrists humor.I’ve tried to avoid some political threads, but I can’t help myself when I see 15 comments praising the annointed ones policies and none saying anything different.
idawa on May 07 at 8:21 a.m.
kage, I think you mean “the elected one’s…” I’m sure it was just a typo on your part.
Arch_Druid on May 07 at 8:21 a.m.
The “anointed one” meaning Obama? LOL! Kage_Mann, that is the funniest thing you said all day. The only “anointed one” of the present century was GW Bush. He was anointed into office by the U.S. Supreme Court in the year 2000. So, care to rethink? Obama was actually elected with a good majority and a landslide victory. There’s quite a difference.
northidahonative on May 07 at 8:29 a.m.
kage_mann….There’s nothing wrong with posting Talking Points from Hannity, Limbaugh, and O’Rielly, but you should be prepared to defend them and you shouldn’t consider it to be “a weak attempt to discredit your(?) views” when you are asked to defend them.

Besides, it only takes a “Weak” attempt to discredit Hannity, Limbaugh, and O’Rielly, the truth usually is enough to prove them wrong.
Cabbage Boy on May 07 at 8:30 a.m.
centrist? Hardly. Humor, yes, and my humor usually is not of political nature. But I hardly avoid the political discussions, it is just that my politics don’t fit neatly into pre-conceived categories.
Kage_Mann on May 07 at 8:37 a.m.
Arch, Obama was elected by an electorate, who didn’t care about his past dealings but, were driven more by hate of GW,
than by reasonable discernment or policies.Also, people wanted stimulus money from Obama.
Arch_Druid on May 07 at 8:38 a.m.
CB to kindly disagree, centrist IS a person who’s politics do not neatly fit into pre-conceived politics or ideologies. Only an extremist will embrace pre-conceived politics or ideologies.
northidahonative on May 07 at 8:49 a.m.
Kage says he sees 15 posts praising the anointed one, me I keep seeing post criticizing his policies, especially his spending, which I find odd because that criticism comes from the very same group who spent the past 8 years defending the uncontrolled spending of Bush and the Republicans.

Willian F. Buckley once said ” a conservative is someone standing athwart history, crying Stop”, what he left out is that those who fight to prevent change most often find themselves trapped in the past, much like today’s Republicans and so called conservatives.
Cabbage Boy on May 07 at 8:49 a.m.
I would say a centrist is someone who rides the fence or fits in between the two ideologies.

I am not in-between, I am probably more conservative than most here. That is why Bush didn’t appeal to me. He was a centrist.
Phaedrus on May 07 at 8:49 a.m.
Rarely can a leftie make their points in one or two sentences

When my posts get long, it’s because there is a lot to say - nuances, more than black or white.

There’s the rub; (Some/Many) Conservatives tend to see issues with a more black or white, right or wrong, with us or against us perspective; (Some/Most) Liberals see multiple shades of gray in the world. It takes more words to express nuance than it does to express certainty.
Arch_Druid on May 07 at 8:55 a.m.
Before I head out to work, Kage_Mann, I found your next post to be just as funny. The electorate was driven by a hatred of Clinton to get GW into office by hook or by crook. Plus, GW proffered his own stimulus money, called: tax cuts. So?

And I notice that all the crying about stimulus money coming from the ideological extremes, well; they still hold out their hands for it, don’t they?
DFO on May 07 at 8:57 a.m.
I believe HBO tilts slightly to the left in the comments section, with progressives more passionately engaged than conservatives. The daily polls indicate a fairly balanced overall political atmosphere. I probably should have asked a follow-up question re: the front-page content, whether it is balanced or leans in any direction.
northidahonative on May 07 at 9:00 a.m.
KAGE “Obama was elected by an electorate, who didn’t care about his past dealings but, were driven more by hate of GW,”

You seem to be having a tough day Kage, if what you say about Obama being elected is true, then just why did people vote for Bush back in 00’ and 04’, they certainly couldn’t have cared about Bush’s past dealings, business failures, alcoholic, druggie, and deserter.

The only “stimulus” money mentioned before the election came from Bush and McCain, it was called the TARP, Obama’s stimulus didn’t come up until after he was elected and after he found the true extent of the damage the Bush Policies had done to the economy.

What people wanted was something new, America realized that the road Bush and the Republicans were leading us down was going in the wrong direction and that no matter how long we traveled that road it would never get us to where we needed to be.
toadman on May 07 at 9:00 a.m.
“I can’t help myself when I see 15 comments praising the annointed one…” -kage

They DO praise me often, don’t they?

;-)

As a pinko commie leftist socialist free-love hippy granola crunching free-range long hair bearded intellectual elitist liberal myself, I have to say that HBO is pretty balanced in it’s commenter base.

Also: “A couple of liberal ‘attack dogs’ left and made this place more hospitable for republicans” -Kage

Shhhh…. we can’t talk about that.. it is verboten.

Now…seriously…I’m not perfect myself. I get spun up about Fox News postings as well. Why? Because I find them to be about as legitimate a news source as The National Enquirer. Meaning, they focus on fear and hype over reality. They do somtimes have nuggets of truth embedded within (I’ve been known to actually AGREE from time to time, with O’Reilly. *gasp!*), if you can get through the outer coating of fear and hype laden encrusted poop that surrounds it…my argument against Fox isn’t their opinion, but the method in which it is delivered. Its a low form of emotion-driven journalism, in my opinion.

Still, Cabbage and I, who are diametrically opposed on almost every issue, have a genteel relationship here. I’ve even had good calm discussions with HMO from time to time…though I have to say that I don’t think I’ve ever been able to engage Kage in a calm manner, and to that, I’m sorry. Again, it may be the poop sandwich thing…hard to get to the goodness inside for all the crap it’s delivered in…

As for lengthy posts, I’m a violator of this as well (as this very post exemplifies). Why am I wordy? I dunno. Still, I also tweet…though I don’t do opinion tweeting. This morning I tweeted the entire storyline of Jane Austen’s “Pride and Prejudice” in under 140 characters…so you see, I do have the ability to be concise…but here, I can’t seem to stop blathering on about nothing….SOMEONE STOP ME PLEASE!
Kage_Mann on May 07 at 9:08 a.m.
northidahonative, Obamas proposed budgets for the next few years would far exceed Bush’s 8 years of spending.Bush had to fight a war, Obama wants to employ social programs the democrats have wanted for years.Summary:Bush was forced to spend to keep us safe(with democratic approval) and Obama wants to spend to fulfill democratic agendas.(without much republican approval).Big difference.
BethB on May 07 at 9:25 a.m.
What was the “Pride and Prejudice” tweet? And very, very, very funny self-label, Toadman.
Kage_Mann on May 07 at 9:28 a.m.
“though I have to say that I don’t think I’ve ever been able to engage Kage in a calm manner, and to that, I’m sorry. Again, it may be the poop sandwich thing…hard to get to the goodness inside for all the crap it’s delivered in”…toadman

Don’t be disengenuos Toad, we’ve had discussions before.Stop
playing to your crowd. ;-) Sometimes it’s hard to have a discussion when someone is calling me names.
Cabbage Boy on May 07 at 9:35 a.m.
“Still, Cabbage and I, who are diametrically opposed on almost every issue, have a genteel relationship here. ”

Shhh, not THAT is verboten.

Toad, the way you feel about Fox, many here feel about the rest of the media. (and I feel about Fox AND the rest of the media.) When Sis posts stuff off his sites, I pretty much disregard most because I don’t trust the source. There are very few sources I trust completely. Maybe none when it comes to politics.

I read many, digest some and then think about it.
Cabbage Boy on May 07 at 9:36 a.m.
not = now
northidahonative on May 07 at 9:42 a.m.
Kage_Mann on May 07 at 9:08 a.m.

northidahonative, Obamas proposed budgets for the next few years would far exceed Bush’s 8 years of spending.Bush had to fight a war, Obama wants to employ social programs the democrats have wanted for years”“”“”

Obama’s budget includes the costs of conducting Bush’s War’s, which none of the bush Budgets ever did. You’ll often find that it costs a lot more money to fix something, like the economy, than it cost to break. America is still facing trillions of dollars of spending for Bush’s Wars that have not even been mentioned by the Obama Administration, replacing equipment and paying for the treatment of injured vets along with continued financial support of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan will far exceed the money Obama has proposed spending.

Social Programs? What do you call prayer in public schools, Constitutional amendments to force Social Conservative beliefs into law, bans against gay marriage, and Bush’s program to give Churches hundreds of millions of dollars to conduct “charitable works”, like building new additions to their churches or even new churches?

Today’s conservatives are called “Social Conservatives” because they want to force their Social programs on the rest of us, to bad we voted most of that group out of Office.
toadman on May 07 at 10:01 a.m.
“Sometimes it’s hard to have a discussion when someone is calling me names.” -Kage

Well, gotta call you something, right? And hey, if I don’t play to my audience, who am I going to play too?

The best thing about doing comedy in the comments section here, is that I can’t hear the groans, or see the rolling eyes, and just imagine how much people are enjoying it…it’s a little fantasy world I’ve created, you see…

;-)

And: “Toad, the way you feel about Fox, many here feel about the rest of the media.” - CB

Agreed. As I’ve said before, there are violators on both ends of the ideological spectrum. I actually find CNN’s Anderson Cooper to be about as balanced a “News Magazine”-type program going right now. As for daily stuff, I generally stick to NPR…which I know some of you think stands for “National Proletariat Radio,” but I really enjoy it, and find it to be fact-driven and balanced, even though it’s listener base is decidedly, and unfortunately, left wing. Fresh Air is one of my favorites because they spend more time on issues than others. I get good local news from the Spokane Public Radio guys also, though they lack a little bit of that seasoned panache… And.. granted.. when I don’t want to think, and just want to waggle my head in agreement, laugh, and NOT think about stuff, I watch Olberman.

Surprisingly enough, I think that Jon Stewart is one of the best media watchdogs out there right now. He’s balanced in his criticism of all main-stream media, in my opinion.
toadman on May 07 at 10:05 a.m.
“What was the “Pride and Prejudice” tweet?” -BethB

At the risk of hijacking this thread, I’ll post my Jane Austen tweet below in it’s entirity:

“Pride and Prejudice: Darcey bastard. Love him. Darcey lie. Love him more. Darcey hero. Hate him. Darcey has huge house. Love him…duh.”

…and.. there you have it. Pretty much the whole story line…minus a few details, of course.
ejs on May 07 at 10:11 a.m.
OK, dagnabit, I tried to stay out of this one

Bush HAD to fight a war, Bush was forced to spend to keep us safe?
Good Lord, does anyone still believe that? I figured those with any logic passed on or slinked away from that Goering mentality.
BethB on May 07 at 10:16 a.m.
Love it, Toad. Thanks.
toadman on May 07 at 10:20 a.m.
HA! ejs just said “dagnabit.” Nice.

…and the answer is.. “Yes.” to your question.
Sisyphus on May 07 at 10:27 a.m.
“When Sis posts stuff off his sites, I pretty much disregard most because I don’t trust the source.”—Do you mean the link or the guy providing it? I’m sorry you have this opinion. I genuinely try to cite to sources that are generally accepted. I’d be interested if you have some examples of untrustworthy sites I’ve linked to. While there is much hyperbole scattered at 43sb my blog there tends to be consistent.

Since its a newspaper site one of the dominant themes of HBO is commentary on the media. The media environment has changed much in the last twenty years and vetting sources with a critical and skeptical eye is one of this sites graces and one of the best things about this new medium, the exchange of ideas rather than the one way spoon feeding of the traditional media. After Dave’s housecleaning of late he’s been allowed a less time consuming role in moderating which I’m sure is a relief. The posting still leans to the right, sometimes deliberately, for the same provocative reasons hmoff posts on the wild card every day. If you don’t like the exchanges quit provoking them.

“Obamas proposed budgets for the next few years would far exceed Bush’s 8 years of spending.”—actually I’ve only seen the one proposed budget. And the deficit and the debt are indeed drastic because of the stimulus necessary to keep us out of depression. If you don’t like the things upon which the stimulus promotes then I reckon y’all should a not put the economy in this bind and you might have won the election which would given your spending policies some voice.

“Bush had to fight a war”—not the war he chose to fight.

“Obama wants to employ social programs the democrats have wanted for years.”—Obama was required to stimulate the economy. The programs he chose to spend the stimulus on were shovel ready projects available to the party in power and which included almost 40% in tax cuts to the middle class.

“Obama wants to spend to fulfill democratic agendas.(without much republican approval)”—he sought approval, gave into demands and only three Republicans in both Houses voted for it. If you don’t like it then take a long long look of why Republicans don’t have the power to implement their own policies. And you can start where this comment did, credibility.
Cabbage Boy on May 07 at 10:40 a.m.
Speaking of making a point in one or two (hundred) lines….

Sis, I don’t disregard you or your opinion. But I see most of your sources for what they are. Opinion. “Generally Accepted”? So because you don’t like their opinion, Fox is not in that category, right?

My point is, and watch closely here, what I appreciate about Toad is that he knows he is a lefty. Most liberals think they are moderates. Some conservatives think that also, but in general that is a leftist trait.

We all think our own position is the reasonable one. But just understand that everyone else does not necessarily agree. And THAT does not make them extreme.
Kage_Mann on May 07 at 10:44 a.m.
Sis, can you honestly, tell the HBO crowd here that your website
(43rd St.Blues) is fair and balanced.
Me on May 07 at 10:59 a.m.
I think it has lefties and righties (BTW I’m left-handed, but consider myself a rightie!).

The thing that does get old for me quickly is when the left siders just start saying you are dumb, not well read enough, haven’t traveled the world enough - basically that because you don’t agree with them you are an idiot. It used to be that you would flat out be called those things, but DFO has definitely tamed that, which makes things much better. Frankly, lately, I have pretty much been avoiding the political discussions, because since I’m on the right and Kage and Hmoff are usually dominating, I don’t want to be lumped in with them so I just don’t say anything.

I do love Cabbabe though!!!!
Cabbage Boy on May 07 at 11:05 a.m.
A daily dose of cabbage is good for you! Good roughage, part of a well balanced diet.

:)
spokelooneh on May 07 at 11:06 a.m.
A multiple paragraph, well reasoned, supported points, cogent response to something Kage has written?

That’s known as a complete waste of time.
Sisyphus on May 07 at 11:10 a.m.
Kage, read what I wrote. Its as fair and balanced as the media outlet that uses the tag line to sell itself. For the most part 43sb of course is not a news outlet absent the occasional local or Idaho scoop. As CB intimated its opinion. But my blog (read Sisyphus’ blog) there cites to news sources that are routinely viewed by rational people on the right and left as credible. I will occasionally link up with something I read on on a leftie blog but I also do it to right wing blogs, usually to point out fallacies.

Sorry CB, did you see only one point? I was late to the discussion. Try and distinguish fact from opinion. Yup I have an opinion, and will relay other’s, and they’re usually sourced to fact. If its not, then please by all means call me on it. But you usually do. ;-)
idawa on May 07 at 11:17 a.m.
I think that HBO’s content, whether from right, left, or those that believe they are un-categorical leaning posters, is often a great example of cognitive dissonance. That why I love it here.
Phaedrus on May 07 at 11:31 a.m.
I’m on the right and Kage and Hmoff are usually dominating, I don’t want to be lumped in with them

Speaks volumes.
Kage_Mann on May 07 at 11:37 a.m.
“I have pretty much been avoiding the political discussions, because since I’m on the right and Kage and Hmoff are usually dominating, I don’t want to be lumped in with them so I just don’t say anything”.Me

I spent the past week away from HBO.If you want liberals to completely dominate the threads; like they have for the last 5 years let me know ‘Me’ and I will let it happen to keep you happy.Republicans are more apt to turn on their own and you see it on the national stage also.
Me on May 07 at 11:46 a.m.
Oh my I just realized I wrote cabbabe? I haven’t even met you so I don’t really know if you are a babe or not. Sorry Cabbage. Where is that preview button?
Me on May 07 at 11:53 a.m.
Kage - I share some of your views BUT you and Hmoff seem to bait the lefties and then it becomes a free for all. I may comment in the middle of it, but it is completely ignored because you two are dominating with the 1 or maybe 2 lefties you are arguing with.

I check out then. I know that whatever I say will be ignored anyway because there is the neener neener thing going on. “obama is bad”, “well so what bush was bad”, “well obama is badder”, “uh uh”, “yeah huh”…….

Sorry I’m not ‘turning on my own’, just saying that as much as you think things are dominated by the left, others, even those on the right will say that you and hmoff dominate too.
Charlie on May 07 at 11:56 a.m.
I like Brussels Sprouts so I see why I understand CB’s logic. I also like Broccoli but thats another story. Good discussion so far.
Ron_the_Cop on May 07 at 12:14 p.m.
To all my friends at HBO:

DAH - The folks that frequent these hallowed halls are pretty left of center. I generally could hold my own in a good debate with BOB. However after being a life long “sheep dog”

http://www.killology.com/sheep_dog.htm

I felt compelled to alert the flock of sheep that there were wolves preying amongst the flock. This is what got me banned as a subversive for life by former editor Steve Smith from S-R Blogs as RBT. OK look who is still standing after the gunfight - Lt. Columbo:-) I’m truly very sorry though that many other very good reporters were laid off et al by the Cowles Co for alleged economic reasons e.g., Taryn H, Jim H, Bill M, Karnen S. and many others.

If you believe Forbes to be a reliable source, in this new article they somewhat agree confirmed my assessment but glossed over the elephant in this room:

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/0525/106-investment-guide-09-scam-capital-of-america.html

I am now back from the undead but have been preoccupied with more serious matters so I’ve posted little here: since my rebirth:

BREAKING - Criminal complaint filed against Spokane Co Prosecutor Steve Tucker

http://friendsofmarkfuhrman.org/blog/?p=136

Det. Ron Wright (Retired) AKA RBT, Lt. Columbo, and Ron the Cop
spokelooneh on May 07 at 1:25 p.m.
“If you believe Forbes to be a reliable source, in this new article they somewhat agree confirmed my assessment but glossed over the elephant in this room:

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/052…”
-Ron the Cop.

Wow. Phone must be ringing off the hook at the Chamber of Commerce. SCATHING article. They missed one of the other big financial scandals, however, Metropolitan Mortgage, a precursor, in many ways, to the current economic meltdowns, especially that in the real estate finance business.

I knew that Blue Ray disc outfit wasn’t gonna make it, and for shame, they forced quite a few ultra-poor people out of their apartments.
toadman on May 07 at 1:50 p.m.
Spokane: Scam Capital of the US? Nice. Very nice. Just how gullible ARE people here?
Arch_Druid on May 07 at 7:33 p.m.
Toadman, where Jon Stewart got mentioned as a serious media critic, right on. In fact he pointed out on his show last night what Fox News Channel said about the presidential meal Obama ordered. IT WAS PAGAN! Geeze. So what was it when GW was in office?

Anybody who pays attention to Fox News should get called on the carpet.
Arch_Druid on May 07 at 11:15 p.m.
I figured I’d best respond to “Me.” Check out this web site, check out this book, check out this videofile on this web site. How about paying careful attention to the U.S. Constitution when you make this argument. How about taking a better look at history when you make this argument. Did anyone CALL you an idiot?

Or is that a presumption on your part?

There was a letter by a G.E. Morton in the S-R published this morning in which in his attempt to rebut an avowed socialist writer, he resorted to a rights of a criminal suspect amendment who could only forfeit life, liberty and property under due process of law as somehow guaranteeing the existence of a free market. He then turns to the 14th amendment, the equal rights amendment that has been utilized by the courts to over turn bans on gay marriages to reaffirm the existence of the free market.

But in fact, where the markets are mentioned in the U.S. Constitution, Congress can in fact regulate them and any treaties that involve international trade must be resolved through gvt. It is obvious that Morton doesn’t have a firm grasp on the meaning of the amendments he referred to. A criminal suspect’s rights amendment does not a free market declaration make. Which would suggest that he let some wild-eyed ideology take the place of the plain reading (strict constructionist) of the amendments in question. The guy’s response to the prior writer was to provide a truly misleading account of what is and obviously is not found in those amendments. He twisted both intent and meaning of both amendments. Whereas, if he had actually read those amendments as written and not through some ideological filter, he would have found them to be entirely unsuitable for his claim.

When anyone suggests to you to check out this book and etc.; they are not calling you ignorant, idiot any other unacceptable name. What they are suggesting is that there are sources of material you could look at that might help inform you when it comes to a particular issue. Not because they disagree with you. Not because they feel this is the only way to convince you as to how right they are. The willingness to share knowledge, this is what I know because of this source of material, should not be slapped down with some foolish response of “You are saying I am ignorant.” I can only wonder what you would have said to your teachers in high school, college or university who wished to share knowledge, “you are saying I am ignorant?”

That’s wild. And it doesn’t give you the best image.

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D.F. Oliveria is a columnist and blogger for The Spokesman-Review. Huckleberries Online was judged the best 2008 Idaho newspaper blog by the Idaho Press Club. And the best 2007 news blog in the Pacific Northwest by the Society for Professional Journalist. Print Huckleberries is a past winner of the Herb Caen Memorial Column contest by the National Association of Newspaper Columnists. The Readership Institute of Northwestern University cited this blog as a good example of online community journalism.