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… That are coming soon to a mailbox near you here. Wonder what supporters of public access to Sanders Beach and of height limits on the east end of Sherman Avenue are going to say about challenger Jim Brannon after reading this flier.
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Dogwalk Musings on October 28 at 2:38 p.m.
That's potent!
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DFO on October 28 at 2:46 p.m.
@ Dogwalk Musings … I agree. That's one of the best direct-mail, political fliers that I've seen. Ever.
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bpoole on October 28 at 2:50 p.m.
Nice job mike. It's time that people realize who is lobbying the challenger and what they are wanting out of this election.
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spokelooneh on October 28 at 2:54 p.m.
“Sherman Ave. building owner Vinny Zito personally lobbied the City Council to allow unrestricted heights for his project on Sherman Ave, which would directly affect neighbors in the East Mullan Historic District.”
What is this project?
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Cindy H on October 28 at 2:55 p.m.
Wowza!
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Cabbage Boy on October 28 at 2:55 p.m.
Mike is being critical of Brannon's campaign donors? He of $22,000 dollars in campaign donations? That rings a bit hollow. At least these “large” donors live in CdA.
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DFO on October 28 at 3:02 p.m.
@ Cabbage Boy; you're missing the forest for the trees re: Mike's criticism of Vinny Zito and the Sanders Beach homeowners who support Brannon. Mike has cleverly tied Brannon to a prospective developer who wants to build a high-rise on the eastern end of Sherman, which is vehemently opposed by that old neighborhood, and to Sanders Beach homeowners who successfully blocked the community from using a large patch of Sanders Beach. Thousands signed petitions for public access. This flier is going to remind those thousands and many others about the frustration of being blocked from that popular bit of sand by court order — and that one of well-heeled on East Lakeshore Drive is in Brannon's corner. Game. Set. Match. To Kennedy.
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Cabbage Boy on October 28 at 3:11 p.m.
Not missing the forest Dave, I got the connection. But who is on Kennedy's list? Charlie Nipp and his wife for more than a measly 200.
Perhaps Zito should have worked with the LCDC, would have been more profitable.
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Bent on October 28 at 3:20 p.m.
CB, Brannon could do something similar but it would take several pages to make all of the convoluted connections and to then spell out the conspiracy…
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Cabbage Boy on October 28 at 3:23 p.m.
Just saying, strange angle IMO. But then again, perhaps he is getting very nervous.
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otisgexperience on October 28 at 3:24 p.m.
I just love it when politicians use the phrase “fight for”. It gives images of foxholes and boxing rings, when in reality all it amounts to is raising a hand or checking a box.
A bit dramatic. And this isn't a Kennedy bash, because they all do it.
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DFO on October 28 at 3:26 p.m.
@ Cabbage; you just reminded me of something. I wonder how much the LCDC holdback actually cost the average Coeur d'Alene homeowner. If you use Brannon's figure of 16.8% and times it by the $300-350 that average homeowners pay in city property taxes (I just guessing), you get $50 per year. For the Kroc Center. For the library. For Riverstone boost. For Prairie Trail. For 4th Street upgrade. For the Education Corridor. $50! For all those amenities and much more to come. And that's using Brannon's dubious figures. I simply can't see the obsession some have with the LCDC. It's changing the face of CdA for the good … the very good.
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spokelooneh on October 28 at 3:27 p.m.
Wait a second, is Zito actually Tito the Builder?
http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonatha…
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TheBrannonBrigade on October 28 at 3:30 p.m.
It's all becoming clear. Jim Brannon, who is out of job, is going to work for Zito's development company to build high-rise condos on East Sherman.
Jim's role on the council will be to make sure no height-restrictions are in place.
We also wonder if Habitat for Humanity is doing an audit in light of this new information. We wouldn't be shocked if funds were being diverted to a certain LLC, owned by a man with a last name that starts with Z.
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Laughing on October 28 at 3:30 p.m.
What does the reference to “preserve Tubbs Hill” suggest? Is it under attack for development?
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Cabbage Boy on October 28 at 3:34 p.m.
DFO, that is less than they are asking for the Jail I think. Perhaps the city and county could afford a jail if the LCDC gave a bit back.
Lets just play your guessing game. Let's say that 70% of what the LCDC does is good. Not saying it is, but lets just play the game. What is 30% of, what, 12 mill I think is the number? $3.6 Mill in cash for friends and business partners?
Simply put, what percentage of corruption is okay with you?
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TheBrannonBrigade on October 28 at 3:35 p.m.
@Laughing,
Isn't obvious, the Zito family wants to build on Tubbs Hill. Jim's agenda is clear. He's in the pocket of developers. If by some horrible nightmare he was elected, is Brannon going to hide the city hall restroom during public hearings? Is Brannon going to be honest about his true intentions about the scared places in Coeur d'Alene.
Brannon has already proven he lies. Can the public trust him to protect open spaces and our quality of life. No way.
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DFO on October 28 at 3:45 p.m.
@ Cabbage Boy; you're the one that has built the straw man and claims corruption. Wonder if the percentage is no corruption. Are you willing to do away with the great things that have happened in this community and believe individuals who again and again have been caught in misstatements? Or Wild Goose Chases? You've hooked your wagon to a bunch of individuals who have fought tooth and nail against every good public thing that has happened in this community in the last four years, simply because they have a different view of urban renewal. You have little kids. And many of these things benefit little kids. I simply can't understand your refusal to want common good over a very few property tax bucks. Seriously.
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redman on October 28 at 4:05 p.m.
I cannot understand why some of those few property tax bucks cant be given back to the county to build a beautiful JAIL.
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Kage_Mann on October 28 at 4:05 p.m.
“$300-350 that average homeowners pay in city property taxes (I just guessing)”.
I don't anyone who lives in the city who pays such a low amount in property taxes.Maybe, a $1000 or more is the reality of it.Someone, might pay $350 in property taxes on a brand new double that's on a rented lot.So, it would cost taxpayers on average alot more than the $50 a year, for having a Urban Renewal Agency around.
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bpoole on October 28 at 4:09 p.m.
how much do you pay Kage?
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TomT on October 28 at 4:21 p.m.
Kage Man- tons of people pay $350 or less to the city…
Back to the topic - the race must have gotten close. Seems like the only reason to put this out.
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sue on October 28 at 4:53 p.m.
Kage doesn't understand his property tax bill. Look at how much is paid to the city of CDA—the rest goes to the county and other taxing districts. I'm sure many homeowners in the city pay $350 in taxes to the city, as part of their property tax bill.
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Phaedrus on October 28 at 5:21 p.m.
Dan Gookin claimed that the impact of LCDC on taxpayers was about $25 per year. I've asked all my neighbors if they would willing pay $25 a year to have a new library and a Kroc Center in our community, even if they didn't use them personally, and they all said yes. Talk about lacking “vision” this group is blinded by minutia.
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Gary Ingram on October 28 at 9:14 p.m.
DFO, to answer your question…They and others are going to wonder what Kennedy's money supporters want from him. Let's see, where did I put that list of Kennedy campaign contributions.
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Laughing on October 28 at 9:28 p.m.
Fud…It seems that you some how have missed the basic premise in your comment. The question is not “if they would be willing to pay $25”, the question is “Do you like the fact that your tax money can be used at the whim of a group of people who are not elected?”
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Phaedrus on October 28 at 10:32 p.m.
the question is …
laughing, the answer is:
“We like the library, we like the Kroc Center and we think the short-sighted, penny-pinching conspiracy theorists are out of touch with the people of Coeur d'Alene and we wish they would just shut up and go away.”
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Swiftwater007 on October 28 at 10:53 p.m.
Agreed Phaedrus!
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Laughing on October 28 at 11:38 p.m.
Fud, fud, fud…Hmmm, 'we wish 'they' would just shut up and go away'. Nice sentiment. So the issue is really 'We' want them gone. Hmm. Who decides who is in the right 'we' group? If carried to its natural conclusion your position/rationale would also apply to the basis for the Anne Frank Memorial post, above. Yep, 'we' ought to get together and get rid of 'them.'
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vzito on October 29 at 6:44 a.m.
spokelooneh:
I never lobbied the city council “to allow unrestricted heights for his project on Sherman Ave”
I don’t need them to “lift” the height restrictions, as it is right now there are no height restrictions However, there is a natural barrier you are restricted to height by the base or footprint i.e. the taller the building the bigger the footprint/base.
Next: DFO… “Mike's criticism of Vinny Zito” DFO someone named mike said something about me??? I would love to se any disparaging remarks made by “Mike”, about me.
TheBrannonBrigade: “We also wonder if Habitat for Humanity is doing an audit in light of this new information. We wouldn't be shocked if funds were being diverted to a certain LLC, owned by a man with a last name that starts with Z.”
WOW!! the only comment I can say to this one is; Do you also believe in little green men from another planet.
Well I am here to help. Since you believe in crop circles and conspiracy theories here is a number you may find useful, it is for the Jerry Springer Show, you might want to go on and tell your latest story. Renee at toll-free 1-877-836-3414 or e-mail tvtalkchicago@yahoo.com
Now that I have addressed some of the mistruths that have been circulating within this board, let me tell you what is and has been going on with the 70+ million dollar project. It is on hold possibly indefinitely. I, myself and the powers that be, have not decided if CdA is someplace that we want to invest that type of money into. We reached this decision through a process of events that occurred directly after we approached the city building department, being good neighbors, and spoke to a certain individual that basically dissuaded us from proceeding. Which is, as I see it, unfortunate for the residents of CdA.
This project was going to be a direct economic stimulus package in the sum of 70+million dollars for the residents of the CdA area. We have the engineers, contractors and architects, all local boys, ready to go!! After the building was completed, planned to start summer 09 completion 11/12, we had allocated over 100 positions with an average pay scale of $25.00 an hour, a real living wage for the residents of CdA. Again whether or not Jim gets in has absolutely no bearing on this project.
You have no idea what it takes to produce a project of this magnitude and the theory, to a layman, makes sense, however the reality is that there are so many people involved at the city level 1 person really isn’t going to make a difference checks and balances.
However, again, I and the others involved have no plans to proceed with this project.
Inclosing, maybe before you all bash someone first: that is not in politics and second: has done a lot of good for this community, take some of those efforts and look up Wine stein and dine Gonzaga and NIC and other schools projects we have donated to.
I moved here several years ago with the intentions of settling down going to college and eventually raising a family. I am a young ambitious man that believes in a few things being honest, sometimes brutally, and trying to make a positive difference in people’s lives. I also believe if you can help people and have the means you should. And for friends….. I would literally give them the shirt off my back, I have done that!
So please do not read more into something that simply isn’t there. Any and all candidates that I support.… there’s one reason… they are friends and I would give them the shirt off my back!!
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OrangeTV on October 29 at 7:21 a.m.
Mr. Zito, it's just politics, y'know. When you make a large donation to a candidate you run the risk of your name coming up and your motives being speculated upon. It'll all blow over in a few days. Anyway, you've got me ultra curious about this project you have planned - can you reveal any details?
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MamaJD on October 29 at 7:23 a.m.
Actually, for me it's when Mr. Zito makes the largest donation that initially exceeded the maximum limits by $500 that fuels the speculation.
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OrangeTV on October 29 at 7:25 a.m.
>>“Do you like the fact that your tax money can be used at the whim of a group of people who are not elected?”
For $25 dollars a year, and with the results to show for it, I couldn't really give a toss about the who or how or what. It seems extraordinarily uptight to me to even get worked up about it. And to invent conspiracies about it takes it to a whole new level of bananas.
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Phaedrus on October 29 at 7:28 a.m.
Laughing has 'Godwined” the thread, anything and everything he/she/it posts, no longer counts. Really, Laughing, your logical conclusion is The Holocaust? Get. A. Life.
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Phaedrus on October 29 at 7:43 a.m.
I don’t need them to “lift” the height restrictions-vzito
No one said you did. East Sherman has long been unregulated, but as growth has come to Coeur d'Alene it has become apparent that regulations are necessary to manage growth and preserve the way of life the citizens of CDA enjoy and check unrestricted growth. But did you oppose the East Mullan Homeowners Associations desire to impose height restrictions on East Sherman? Please try not to obfuscate the issue with your reply.
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Phaedrus on October 29 at 7:45 a.m.
Well I am here to help. Since you believe in crop circles and conspiracy theories here is a number you may find useful, it is for the Jerry Springer Show, you might want to go on and tell your latest story. Renee at toll-free 1-877-836-3414 or e-mail tvtalkchicago@yahoo.com
Now THAT is funny! Vinny, have you sent that information to Jim Brannon, Mary Souza and Dan Gookin, because they are the ones who see conspiracy theories in everything! LOL!
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Phaedrus on October 29 at 7:54 a.m.
Mama, the donation from Mr Zito's company to Jim Brannon's city council campaign, as initially reported in the candidate's legally required campaign finance report, exceed the legal maximum by $1,500.00, not $500.
It was only days after the report was filed, when I pointed out the illegal contribution amount, that an amended report was submitted claiming (cough, cough) “to correct a typo on in-kind contributions and expenditures” (yes, CindyH that is a direct quote from the cover sheet of the amended report).
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Bent on October 29 at 8:03 a.m.
Orange I assume this is the high rise that was purposed down by the old Peabodys. If it is the same one I am thinking of, when the city of Cd'A denied it, the developer went to the city (township?) of Fernan Village to try and get it through… that failed as well.
Personally, the COFFER in me liked that project. I thought it would have been great economic development for that end of town, but then again I don't live in the historic east sherman (cough, cough) neighborhood…
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MamaJD on October 29 at 8:15 a.m.
Thanks for pointing out my confusion, Phaed! ;) Uhhh, I mean, typo. Yeah, that's it … my earlier post was a typo. Carry on.
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Sisyphus on October 29 at 8:17 a.m.
Excellent point Bent. At the end of the day its about the number of your voters you can get out. That can be done with money in the coffer if used wisely. In this case I thought it was a shrewd maneuver to use these donations to Brannon to motivate that neighborhood into the voting booth. That's crucial in off year elections where turnout is light.
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Kage_Mann on October 29 at 8:24 a.m.
So, it's OK to ignore everything Vinny Zito said.Mike's so desperate he's willing to mislead people to get elected.This election means more to him than anything and why would that be? Is he valuable to Meyer and Nipp, sitting on the city council?
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Soaf on October 29 at 8:31 a.m.
@Kage
So you are saying Brannon is being “Completely Honest” with his propaganda sheet?
Now that's sad!
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MamaJD on October 29 at 8:34 a.m.
Kage — it's an election. When you have one finger at Mike, three are pointing back at you, Mr. Letter to the Editor.
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Cabbage Boy on October 29 at 8:40 a.m.
Exactly Kage. I just find it ironic that Kennedy would open that can of worms. The Nipps gave $500 to multiple candidates on the council. That should be the eyebrow raiser. Giving political donations to the elected officials that appointed you.
And it is funny how Phaed has issues with THIS developer, but not the rest that are under the LCDC umbrella.
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Laughing on October 29 at 9:00 a.m.
fud, I knew you would be obtuse to the logical conclusion of your philosophy. thank you. I just won a bet…..haaaaa, haaaa.
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MamaJD on October 29 at 9:04 a.m.
Cabbage - The way I read the reports, Charlie and Susan Nipp gave $300, not 500. That makes up 1.3% of Mike Kennedy's campaign contributions.
Zito's Conceptual Realities was initially reported to have donated in-kind $2500, or 52%, of Jim Brannon's campaign contributions. 52%! Then, the report was amended to state a $500 In Kind contribution, or 18% of Brannon's contributions. Even with Brannon's amended numbers, 18% can be attributed to Zito who would disagree with East Sheman homeowners regarding height restrictions. Are you saying they shouldn't know about this? 18% is not a petty number like 1.3%.
Additionally, Zito donates in-kind $500 to Brannon for office space which is an entire building on Sherman. Brannon pays $600 in office rent back to Zito. Initially, the value of the building space was $2500 as an in-kind donation but was based “on a typo.” That's of course if you believe any other business could rent that space on a month to month basis for $600.
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vzito on October 29 at 9:08 a.m.
Ok here we go again, first Mr. Zito is my father I am simply Vinny, but thank you for the respect.
OrangeTV:
Thank you for reminding me that it isn’t personal. You think I would know that since one of my courses of study in College was political science.
Mama jd:
A few good men…. good movie taking a quote from the movie “you can’t handle the truth” only Jack Nickolas could have delivered it that way. Great casting!!
Well here is the truth it was an honest oversight probably by my staff, but to me this race is a little deeper than a clerical mistake.
So my question is why aren’t we talking about the real issues? Economy, no succinct direction for this town except for the volatile industry of tourism and call centers. A city without a real plan and direction, without real living wage jobs and without a real industry is headed for failure.
See I never forgot where I came from and I know that life can happen and in an instance you can go from being on top of the world to wondering what happened. The incumbents need to ask themselves have I done all that I can? I don’t know the answer to that only they do because if they lose they are going to be unemployed in a world they created. It is either going to be a Utopia or a place of struggle that the populist sees every day. Living from paycheck to paycheck.
It is what it is…..
So, what we have here are two groups of candidates one the incumbents, we can speculate, who honestly believe they have done a great job and the challengers that just have a difference of opinion on how things should be done. Who’s right? Well that is up to each of us to decide, and we will do that on Tuesday.
So, what am I getting to? Why don’t we utilize this discussion board for what it was intended, discussing the issues.
By the way I have come on here showing exactly who I am. I haven’t seen much of that but I also don’t have anything to hide, to each their own. If I say something I say it. You may not like what I say but you definitely know where I stand.
Sorry I just saw you’re posting Kage_Mann and have to respond. Believe me or not I have nothing to hide no hidden agenda no pseudonym this is me! There is a whole lot more detail I can go into. Things that you, the public, will never hear, but I don’t have the time; I have to go to work. This will be my last posting.
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vzito on October 29 at 9:12 a.m.
For the record I am not against height restrictions, I am for them. How does that go when you assume things….. next time ask!
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TheBrannonBrigade on October 29 at 9:19 a.m.
Yo Vinny,
Let me guess you made your bones in garbage collection, trucking, and concrete.
You gonna hire ole' Jim Brannon or his wife to “oversee” this wonderful project once it gets back on track?
We thought we saw you huddle with Jim the other day in his offce, you were wearing blacksuits, red ties, and had lots of jewelry.
There were some papers in front of him on his desk, Jim looked like he needed a bathroom to hide in, but some big dude was blocking the door. Or maybe we were watching The Godfather again, sometimes life inmitates art.
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MamaJD on October 29 at 9:23 a.m.
Mr. Zito, After the election, what could I rent the office space for down on Sherman? It's $600 per month on a month to month, no deposit right? ;)
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OfCoffee on October 29 at 9:27 a.m.
I am curious about one thing. The Reagan Republicans decided to believe that the whole Jim Brannon firing was intentional. Many of the folks here had a hayday mocking Jim them about the “lies” that were on their flyer. It got pretty extreme.
Now Mike's flyer has been revealed to contain, shall we say, mis-truths? Or different opinion of the facts? Where are all of you who went after the RR flyer?
And Mama - you apparently have decided that the campaign report that was amended was not a mistake and your innuendo keeps pointing to that. You have no proof, you just decided that that is what you believe. That is fine, however, the RR flyer offered no proof either, but you chose not to believe that one. I'm curious as to how you come to your conclusions.
Overall, I have to agree with Vinny. We are so busy trying to questions everyone's integrity that we have abdicated the discussions of the issues.
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Swiftwater007 on October 29 at 9:30 a.m.
Is it true that you lobbied a councilman for your development and noticed a certain ring on that person's finger and said ” we need to stick together Brother?” Just a question, maybe or maybe not, it kind of looks like you didn't get the answer you wanted and so you move on to Jim Brannon?
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vzito on October 29 at 9:36 a.m.
Mama jd
You’re not helping your case let’s see with your figures Jims budget is about 5k reasonable
Mikes $300=1.3% roughly 23/24k WOW that’s pretty good and he spent it in how many months??? WOW and how many people in this town make under 20k a year?
Please let that one get out.
Alright I will check in periodically just to see how goes the fight. Good luck to all and see ya later.
TheBrannonBrigade:
Why don’t you stop by and say hi and we can discuss your concerns I am the 33 year old 6 foot 230lb guy with no jewelry
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MamaJD on October 29 at 9:39 a.m.
Of Coffee - When candidates get tied to the “wealthy developers,” I think it is important to note both sides. Taking the numbers Brannon has submitted, 18% of his campaign is from Mr. Zito. How can supporters point the finger at Kennedy & Nipp (1.3%) and claim that strings are attached while ignoring the glaring issue with Mr. Zito? Are you saying what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander?
As for the rent, the numbers are what they are. I'm curious though if that rent was a Brannon special because it seems a little low. No disrespect, of course. ;)
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Kage_Mann on October 29 at 9:41 a.m.
“Sorry I just saw you’re posting Kage_Mann and have to respond. Believe me or not I have nothing to hide no hidden agenda no pseudonym this is me”!
vzito, I never questioned your motives and I believe you.Maybe, you confused me with someone else? I just thought alot of commenters chose to disregard your previous statement, because of their allegience to the incumbent.
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MamaJD on October 29 at 9:45 a.m.
Mr. Z - Mike's numbers are what they are because he's gotta alotta friends, if you know what I mean. ;)
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vzito on October 29 at 9:47 a.m.
My apologize Kage_Mann
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OfCoffee on October 29 at 9:47 a.m.
Mama - you are over-thinking your math. I don't believe that candidates, or office holders, look at their contributors as “percent of total.” Nipp, who I think very highly of, is a smaller percent of Mike's total simply because Mike has a MUCH bigger total. But Nipp's $300 isn't much different than Vinny's $500 in kind donation, at least as far as it having some type of influence on the recipient.
I like Mike. A lot. I also like Jim Brannon. I don't question the integrity of either man. But quite frankly, this election has degenerated to the point that I am very discouraged by it.
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TheBrannonBrigade on October 29 at 9:52 a.m.
@Vinny
We are sorry. In the midst of this whacky election cycle, we thought it would be fun to bring some levity to the blog. If you were offended, we appologize for the stereotyping. It's not like we really believe you are mobster.
We are concerned about Jim Brannon political views and his lack of honesty about what he will do once in council. We're afraid of him telling the world “NO COMMENT” like he did with the Spokesman-Review.
Vote Kennedy.
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Kage_Mann on October 29 at 9:55 a.m.
MamaJD on October 29 at 9:45 a.m.
Mr. Z - Mike's numbers are what they are because he's gotta alotta friends, if you know what I mean. ;)
Yea, mamaJD, he's got alotta friends in Boise and New Jersey!
Why is a Boise fire dept. endorsing Mike? This isn't Boise and I don't think it's a big plus to have the endorsement of them.It seems as if most of the money Kennedy has raised comes from outta state.Why can't he raise money here? I mean the whole Nipp family has pitch in $300 a piece.So, a sitting member of LCDC has contributed to the campaign of a sitting city councilman; who oversees LCDC and appoints the LCDC board.Is that a conflict?
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vzito on October 29 at 10:09 a.m.
TheBrannonBrigade:
Hey no harm no foul.
I need to make one thing perfectly clear I have absolutely no intentions on building a high rise project on Sherman, that boat has sailed, and unfortunately CdA lost (arguable). I also need to say one last parting thing. I came onto this discussion board, I didn’t need to, but I am a person that seeks truth and when I see an injustice I say what I say. You may not like it but I felt that I needed to step up and tell you guys what is going on.
I haven’t seen any other person in my position “a wealthy developer” come out say here is who I am and here is what it is. They usually hide behind a slew of lawyers and PR people. But that is not my style. So I hope I cleared up at least a few things for you all, and remember I never forgot where I came from and I always have an open door if you want to talk.
Good bye and good luck to all the candidates
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spokelooneh on October 29 at 10:49 a.m.
Vinny I know you went to NIC and apparently Gonzaga University.
If GU granted you a diploma, then the value of such an education just took a major hit based on your inability to write in any sort of cohesive, cogent, fashion.
I think I need to talk to the Accreditation folks about this.
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Stickman on October 29 at 4:43 p.m.
Thanks Mama for your post at 8:34am. I find it very hard to read anything that Kage writes, at least I will say that and stop. He is a blogger like the rest of us and we have to try and respect everyone's opinion, as everyone is invited as long as they have some respect for others. Sometimes I wonder though. I try to stay away from all things political and stay with the simple subjects, as it leads to less stress, at least for me. I will be glad when next Wednesday comes, and all of the incumbents have won easily. Oops, I have become political and I apologize.
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