Marty: So Tax Evasion Builds Character?

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  tfwyhf on June 16 at 9:51 a.m.

  Does Charlie Daniels play a mean fiddle?

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  scootermom on June 16 at 9:53 a.m.

  Overdue.

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  Cabbage Boy on June 16 at 10:11 a.m.

  Gotta love the smell of a good smear campaign in the mornin.

  Why can’t sore losers just realize they lost. Perhaps all the money and entitlement weren’t enough to convince the voters.

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  moscow_minidoka on June 16 at 10:19 a.m.

  “Why can’t sore losers just realize they lost. ”

  Need to ask Jim Brannon, Starr Kelso, and Larry Spencer that question.

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  Smacky on June 16 at 10:24 a.m.

  Smear campaign? Doesn’t that imply that the allegations are false? Pay your bills and this doesn’t happen.

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  nic on June 16 at 10:24 a.m.

  Who’s the sore loser? Hart ran unoposed. Oh… wait… the taxpayes of the state of Idaho are the losers. Nevermind… carry on.

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  Flo on June 16 at 10:30 a.m.

  Phil Hart WON!!! He got rid of the big RINO jerk Jorganson, and kept others from taking his place. Hart is an affective hero to the taxpayers and this is only to smear him so to hurt his just cause.. voters will see it for what it is, I do.

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  Sisyphus on June 16 at 10:36 a.m.

  Giggle. Well we found his sign maker.

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  hmoffsuite on June 16 at 10:37 a.m.

  I don’t see what the big deal with tax cheats is all about. Obama was happy to appoint Tim Geithner as our Treasury Secretary and he was a tax cheat. Obama lowered the bar in this arena just like most others.

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  moscow_minidoka on June 16 at 10:37 a.m.

  “voters will see it for what it is, I do.”

  That they elected a crook, you mean?

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  Cabbage Boy on June 16 at 10:42 a.m.

  There were other races in district 3. Some big names lost. They aren’t happy and they blame Phil. The full court smear started after they recovered from their shock.

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  Smacky on June 16 at 10:43 a.m.

  It’s Obama’s fault! Way to go HMO, I didn’t think you had it in you to make that bold leap. I will remember not to underestimate your prowess in that area in the future.

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  Cabbage Boy on June 16 at 10:45 a.m.

  That and the Guiliani GOP is still smarting that their precious Vaughn Ward lost. So they are working to tie Labrador to Phil Hart.

  They lost, so the only thing left is to work behind the scenes with character assassinations which play well here.

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  hmoffsuite on June 16 at 10:57 a.m.

  Smacky. What bold leap? Obama appointed Geithner. Geithner cheated on taxes. Therfore, cheating on taxes must not be a big deal. Personally, I would have liked to see a Treas Sec with more integrity but Obama doesn’t worry about stuff like that, quite obviously.

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  Sisyphus on June 16 at 11:01 a.m.

  Inching ever closer to the tin foil eh Cboy? I’m sure all this conspiracy will come as a surprise to Betsy.

  Cold hard facts.

  1. He didn’t pay his income taxes for ten or more non-consecutive years.

  2. He publicly informed friends and foes alike his tax problems were behind him.

  3. His constitutional argument for not paying taxes was well settled and therefore frivolous, yet after he lost he continued having difficulty paying his taxes.

  4. He is deliberately using his status as a legislator to delay further proceedings against him.

  5. His residence and his business are in a separate legal entity and removed from attachment without further formal proceedings.

  He’s waaaaaay beyond principled man and well into tax cheat status. Even if there is some semblance of truth that a conspiracy is out to do him in, he has only himself to blame for the facts set forth above.

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  Digger on June 16 at 11:03 a.m.

  Sorry HMO - Phil Hart was cheating his taxes long before Obama was even elected to the Senate.

  Now, keeping Hart out of the argument, did the President set a bad precedent and lower the bar by not chastisting Timmy for failing to pay or improperly pay his taxes? Yes. Should we expect more from the person expected to lead the Treasury department? Yes.

  But the bigger question is, who is HMO going to blame for all the world’s ills when Obama is ousted in 2 years?

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  Arpie on June 16 at 11:04 a.m.

  HMO and Cabbage instead of calling this a smear, I would like to see you defend Hart. I want to see what a logical defense might look like.

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  Cabbage Boy on June 16 at 11:08 a.m.

  Sis, I am not talking about Hart here. Why is all this being dredged up now? I have never talked to him or had a detailed explanation. I don’t know those details.

  But I do know about the smearing that has gone on since people that Hart encouraged to run upset the apple cart in District 3. Now the bloodletting has begun. Why did these politicians not have a problem with it before? And how out of touch were they to be shocked by their loss so bad that they now want blood?

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  Cabbage Boy on June 16 at 11:10 a.m.

  Arpie, there is much more at play here than Phil Hart. And DFO loves him some good salacious details that keep this blog hoppin.

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  Digger on June 16 at 11:14 a.m.

  So CB - instead of keeping it all to yourself, why don’t you write us an educated, well thought out post about what your take on this whole situation is?

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  Sisyphus on June 16 at 11:21 a.m.

  “Why is all this being dredged up now?”—um, the filing of the tax liens in the recorder’s office? Perhaps? And couple that with him informing everyone it was behind him, the fact that he conveniently owns nothing subject to attachment, and that he’s using his political office to further his efforts to thwart process, and methinks there’s a story. Not just smoke, a five alarm fire.

  And as far as timing, last February would have been better. Or howzabout in the heat of the primary. Or maybe next September would have been more fortuitous for a write in effort. Indeed June’s gotta be the worst time to make political hay out of this.

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  Phaedrus on June 16 at 11:41 a.m.

  Why can’t sore losers just realize they lost. _CB

  Need to ask Jim Brannon, Starr Kelso, and Larry Spencer that question.-moscow

  Spot on. Notice how the Brannon supporter ignored the relevant comparison?

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  Phaedrus on June 16 at 11:46 a.m.

  Obama lowered the bar in this arena—hmoffsuite

  ODS strikes again.

  Perhaps, but Hart’s tax dodging began long before Obama was elected President of the United States of America and long before Geithner was nominated. (Factuallly speaking, when it was determined that Timmy had not paid his taxes correctly, he paid them. Hart, on the other hand, lost his tax case and STILL refuses to pay the taxes and penalties. Big difference.)

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  Phaedrus on June 16 at 11:48 a.m.

  Gotta love the smell of a good smear campaign in the mornin.—CB

  Sorry Cabbage, but it is not a smear campaign when it is true. Just like it wasn’t a smear campaign for Raul Labrador’s campaign to call out Vaughn Ward on his non-voting and his plagiarism.

  Shoe, meet other foot.

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  Cabbage Boy on June 16 at 1:12 p.m.

  Digger,

  “They lost, so the only thing left is to work behind the scenes with character assassinations which play well here.”

  “there is much more at play here than Phil Hart. And DFO loves him some good salacious details that keep this blog hoppin.”

  That is about it. As far as the Brannon campaign goes, that is a red herring. They have a lawsuit in the courts. Much different than a secret smear campaign.

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  Phaedrus on June 16 at 1:22 p.m.

  So they are working to tie Labrador to Phil Hart.—CB

  No work required. Here is the tie:

  “Labrador is also being supported by Rep. Jim Clark and Rep. Phil Hart, both of whom spent time campaigning with Labrador during his trip to Kootenai County earlier this week.

  “It has been my privilege to serve with Raul in the Idaho House,” Hart said. “We worked hard together to find a viable solution to the problem of illegal immigration. We’ve fought side-by-side to stop tax increases and cut wasteful spending in state government. He’s the real deal.”

  Hart went on to say that he was impressed with Labrador’s economic development proposal, unveiled in Coeur d’Alene on Tuesday. “I’ve looked over Raul’s proposal to cut federal spending while putting in place specific proposals to make nuclear power generation a reality in Idaho,” Hart added. “It is concrete, thoughtful and I think will lead to serious economic growth in Idaho.”

  Labrador said that he was honored to have the support of such leading conservative colleagues.

  “Clark, Nonini and Hart are leaders in the Idaho Legislature,” Labrador said. “I have immense regard for these gentlemen and it is very gratifying to have their support. ”

  http://www.labrador4idaho.com/endorsements/

  The question is: Will Raul Labrador renounce Phil Hart for the tax dodger that he is, or will he pull a Frank Henderson and gutlessly claim it is a “personal matter?

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  Phaedrus on June 16 at 1:28 p.m.

  “Why can’t sore losers just realize they lost.”—Cabbage Boy

  You forgot the asterisk.

  * (They have a lawsuit in the courts. Much different than a secret smear campaign.)—CB

  Gawd how I love situational ethics!

  Why use the term smear campaign? Are the facts alleged incorrect? Because if the facts, as reported, are true, it isn’t a “smear,” it’s a report.

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  Cabbage Boy on June 16 at 1:35 p.m.

  Phaed, don’t you have some other thread to troll on? I was told to ignore you. And I do. So find someones to cyberstalk before the elbows come out.

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  Phaedrus on June 16 at 2:18 p.m.

  Cabbage, you might want to look up the definition of troll before you carelessly misuse it. Again.

  I am making valid observation on this thread, all within the rules of the blog, you can choose to respond to them appropriately,like an adult, or ignore them, your choice. If you don’t like the fact that I am sharing my thoughts and opinions on this topic, find some other way to deal with it instead of making it personal.

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  Arpie on June 16 at 2:31 p.m.

  CB: “Arpie, there is much more at play here than Phil Hart. And DFO loves him some good salacious details that keep this blog hoppin.”

  I have yet to be enlightened. All I see is a tax dodger hiding his assets so he doesn’t have to pay.

  What am I missing?

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  Digger on June 16 at 2:39 p.m.

  FortBoise - encourage DFO to post my artwork out front. I’m no Warhol - (don’t have the software) but I think what I put together is funnier than a solo mugshot. :-)

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  Cabbage Boy on June 16 at 2:47 p.m.

  Again Arpie, I am not talking about Phil. I don’t know much about that. I am not in district 3, I have only briefly met the man and never have heard his story.

  What isn’t apparent on the blog is the people providing the, how does DFO put it, “fodder to fill the insatiable maw of the blog.”

  This isn’t reporting on a news story, this is attack journalism. And Dave is getting played for hit counts.

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  DFO on June 16 at 2:55 p.m.

  @ Cabbage Boy re: “This isn’t reporting on a news story, this is attack journalism. And Dave is getting played for hit counts.”

  Seriously, Cabbage Boy; his isn’t one of your better days. You don’t think it’s front-page worthy to post the thoughts of two of the most respected opinionators in Idaho — Marty Trillhaase and Kevin Richert? You don’t think that Phil Hart’s ongoing battle with the IRS — and now the Idaho Tax Commission — is newsworthy when he’s becoming a North Idaho power broker and sits on the House Taxation & Revenue Committee? I feel sad for you partisans — whether you’re on the right and trying to defend Hart or on the left and trying to defend that North Carolina U.S. Rep. who grabbed his interviewer — who simply can’t admit that your guy/side is wrong.

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  Cabbage Boy on June 16 at 3:02 p.m.

  Yes there is a story there. And the feeders have been running to all outlets for maximum impact. Again, I have said nothing of Phil.

  But this isn’t one of your finer moments either. You admitted someone in the GOP was after Phil on the night of the KCRCC re-org meeting. That is the story I am pointing at.

  And what is this, the 3rd day running of Phil leading the news.

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  Phaedrus on June 16 at 5:16 p.m.

  I wish the “Defenders of Phil” would man-up and actually defend him (if they think he is defensible) instead of whining that people are “smearing” Mr. Conservative.

  If you want to claim this is a smear campaign, produce evidence that the facts are in error. Your ox is being gouged, we get it. Too bad.

  DFO, good comparison between the ‘Defenders of Phil” and those who would defend the inexcusable actions of the lunkhead Congressman from NC.

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  Soaf on June 16 at 5:24 p.m.

  Well, it looks like from the poll that there’s a least 68 other tax dodging hypocrites out there.

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  Phaedrus on June 16 at 5:30 p.m.

  That is the story I am pointing at.—CB

  Spin away, spin away.

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  EagleEye on June 16 at 11:26 p.m.

  Phil Hart has enemies to be proud of. He is hated by establishment Republicans (business as usual, big tax, big spending RINO’s) because he helped engineer some of the recent wins by anti-establishment candidates in the recent North Idaho Primary elections. RINO’s like Rasmussen and Jorgenson lost their seats and now this high profile, media smack-down is part of the payback.

  But the root cause of Phil’s current problems is that he had the audacity to write a book that dared to challenge the legality and Constitutionality of the Federal Income Tax system. The book is entitled, “Constitutional Income, Do You Have Any?” http://www.constitutionalincome.com/

  A person I know (who spoke with Phil directly) said that Hart made a VERY good faith effort to work with the IRS, voluntarily re-entered the tax system as a filer, filed his past returns, and paid his tax liabilities. The IRS then continued to wage a 4 year campaign against him and arbitrarily “disallowed” his legitimate deductions that are routine for anyone not part of an IRS witch hunt.

  This action by the IRS is all about PAYBACK for challenging their Constitutional right to exist and their heavy-handed, Gestapo - like tactics. But the timing of this article suggests politically motivated, SOUR GRAPES by the RINO losers of recent elections.

  Phil Hart is a great proponent of Constitutional freedom and
  Liberty (qualities that are getting characterized as the so-called, “Far, Far Right” according to Oliveria) and deserves nothing less than fair and balanced reporting by the press (are you even capable of that Oliveria?).

  It’s no wonder that so many people are canceling their newspaper subscriptions and writing off the Spokesman as nothing more than “The Socialist Review” ~

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  Phaedrus on June 16 at 11:42 p.m.

  *EE, pick a new name eagle eye is already taken.

  *good to see that rally right can marshall the forces and get their “christian” followers to rally in support of phil ‘the tax dodger’ hart. nice morals folks.

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  DFO on June 16 at 11:42 p.m.

  Hey, EagleEye; you’re going to have to change your pseudonym, pronto. A long time regular uses Eagle Eye as a pseudonym. I’d hate to have anyone confuse you with him. Next time you post as EagleEye, your post will be deleted and you might be blocked, depending on my mood at the time. BTW, the SR ranks No. 4 in the nation in audience growth among newspapers over the last year. You seem to be as wrong about our situation as you are about Phil Hart’s.

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  DFO on June 16 at 11:43 p.m.

  @ Phaed; looks like we’re both burning the midnight oil.

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  Cabbage Boy on June 17 at 8:20 a.m.

  The pseudonym caught me off guard too, but it looks like this EE has been around for almost a year on the SR blogs. Way to welcome the blurkers DFO.

  The left bank wanted a reasoned defense of Phil, and there it is. Wonder if that will make front page?

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  Phaedrus on June 17 at 8:36 a.m.

  The left bank wanted a reasoned defense of Phil, and there it is—Cb

  That passes for “reasoned?” Low standards on the right wing.

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  liberty4all on June 17 at 9:45 a.m.

  Pheadrus, I would like you to back up your claim of “tax dodger” against Phil Hart. The reality of the situation is that if I am running a business and I sell a product for $100 and have costs of $50, then my “income” is $50. The case the IRS is making against Phil Hart is that the costs of $50 do not count. They have never justified this claim in a court of law under rules of evidence, they simply did it maliciously via fiat to get revenge on Phil for daring to challenge them in the past. Those are the facts. Phil is not dodging anything!! This definitely passes for a “reasoned” defense because it uses FACTS and LOGIC, not the baseless allegations that are being used to smear the good name of Phil Hart. This is political payback, clear and simple. I challenge ANYONE on this board to challenge this logic.

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  Soaf on June 17 at 9:52 a.m.

  There must have been a run on tin foil over the last couple of days.

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  Phaedrus on June 17 at 9:55 a.m.

  I challenge ANYONE on this board to challenge this logic.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5M_Ttstbgs

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  liberty4all on June 17 at 9:56 a.m.

  Cold Hard facts:
  In response to a post above:

  1. He didn’t pay his income taxes for ten or more non-consecutive years.

  —This is blatantly a lie. Phil went back and FILED for all years which he previously did not and paid the taxes for those years.

  2. He publicly informed friends and foes alike his tax problems were behind him.

  —He likely believed this to be the case since he re-entered the system. How was he to know that the IRS would come back and illegally disallow EVERY SINGLE BUSINESS DEDUCTION.

  3. His constitutional argument for not paying taxes was well settled and therefore frivolous, yet after he lost he continued having difficulty paying his taxes.

  —His constitutional arguments are not in question here. Those are behind him. The fact of the matter, which this poster and most everyone here on the board is missing is that he went back and FILED AND PAID his taxes after he lost on this challenge.

  4. He is deliberately using his status as a legislator to delay further proceedings against him.

  —Excuse me, this is called due process. NOD letters from the IRS on the other hand are quasi-judicial remedies. They give you a limited amount of time to respond without the benefit of a default hearing (demanded under the common law). How is he supposed to respond when he is doing the business of the state in Boise? The provision of the Constitution was put in there to prevent this sort of deliberate political harassment of a legislature. The fact of the matter is the IRS HAS NEVER proven these allegations in a court. In fact that is why you will not see them filing criminal charges—they know they would never stick in an actual court of law.

  5. His residence and his business are in a separate legal entity and removed from attachment without further formal proceedings.

  —This was a smart move on his part and virtually the only way of protecting oneself against violations of due process REPEATEDLY executed by the American Gestapo, the IRS. The IRS routinely executes liens against personal property without due process as in this case. If they wanted to go against Phil’s other assets they could file suit in court, which of course they would probably lose because REAL COURTS require due process – if the law says Phil can deduct business expenses, then he can and the judge would tell the IRS to go take a hike.

  THESE ARE THE FACTS.

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  Soaf on June 17 at 9:57 a.m.

  Stand by for the black helicopter stories next.

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  Phaedrus on June 17 at 10:01 a.m.

  I would like you to back up your claim of “tax dodger” against Phil Hart.

  Fair enough.

  Dodge # 1- Phil Hart put his property into a family trust (in his daughter’s name) to prevent the IRS from attaching it to satisfy his debt.

  Dodge #2- Phil Hart had 90 days to respond to the state tax commission but waited until 10 days before the legislative session began so he could claim legislative protection. Even Phil couldn’t give a good answer as to why he waited so long.

  Even if the issues you allege are true, hart has not dealt with them in a forthright manner. Thus he has earned the title of Phil Hart, Tax Dodger.

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  Phaedrus on June 17 at 10:01 a.m.

  libert4all sounds like an attorney. Hart’s attorney?

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  sue on June 17 at 10:11 a.m.

  I thought libert4all was his mom.

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  nic on June 17 at 10:12 a.m.

  “$100 and have costs of $50, then my “income” is $50. The case the IRS is making against Phil Hart is that the costs of $50 do not count. ” - L4H

  Great analogy… except in Hart’s case (according to oune of your earlier comments) he refused to provide proof of expenses. So if he doesn’t show proof of the expense, does that expense really exist?

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