MLK Day Wild Card — 1.17.11

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  kamm on January 17 at 11:09 a.m.

  “We shall overcome…” starts at home. Is your home learning tolerance and acceptance of others as equal human beings? Yes, there is evil in this world; can you define it without using sex, sexual orientation, race, ethnicity, religion, or birthplace?

  There are a few misogynists, on this blog and in society, who dismiss women’s roll in the military infantry because of the possibility of being mistreated in a ‘special way’ by the enemy; because ‘men and women ‘think differently’; because ‘no woman, ever, expressed a desire to be in the infantry’; because ‘they aren’t strong enough to rescue a man in combat or from a burning building’.

  While polls show a slight majority opposing changing the status quo, it’s interesting to note that women under the age of 45 want the changes by 62%.

  Hmm, what other groups were dismissed angrily from being in the service because of generalities in the past and are now serving shoulder to shoulder under the name of US infantry?

  Yes the American spirit ‘will overcome’.

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  DanGookin on January 17 at 3:48 p.m.

  The Aryans are back. Damned Nazi A-Hs. They’re on NW Blvd across from the Human Rights Institute. I counted about ten of them. Some dressed up in uniform. Four carrying flags, two with signs. One guy without a shirt on. (Sent you a pic, DFO.)

  Why is it “the perp” doesn’t have a shirt on? Anyone see COPS on TV? If the guy doesn’t have a shirt on, he’s arrested. It’s simple. Well, there’s one of those outside in the 45º weather with the other Nazis.

  Too bad it isn’t snowing out; one City plow could take out the whole knot of them.

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  hmoffsuite on January 17 at 4:32 p.m.

  The other day, we had some discussion regarding the EPA. Now, it seems they have revoked a valid coal mining permit in West Virginia. That will place other mining operations in a questionable situation. When we are facing a horrible economy, extreme unemployment and other energy issues, why would this be done, at this time? Looks like another Obama administration decision without proper consideration of the ‘unintended consequences’. How many times have we seen that movie?

  http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/14/science/earth/14coal.html

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  OrangeTV on January 17 at 4:42 p.m.

  I have a friend who moved here last year from the Portland area and she called me a few minutes ago about the Aryans on NW Blvd. She was freaking out, crying, saying she couldn’t believe her eyes, that she’d never seen anything like it in her life and that she wanted to puke. She had driven around the block three times to holler “F You” at them, at which point they all gave her the finger and cheered wildly.

  To me, the saddest part is how nonplussed I was by this news. I told her that it’s not that uncommon to see those idiots around town doing their hate thing. I told her that they thrive on attention and in the future it’d probably be best to just ignore them and go along her merry way, or she’s just feeding into exactly what they’re after: a reaction.

  Depressing, because I should be more outraged by these things but I have just become a bit numb to it. Frustrating, because there’s nothing anyone can really do that isn’t already being done about it (Human Rights events, forums, dirty looks and yelling) without crossing the line into illegal territory and giving them a reason to start a lawsuit or worse.

  Way to put a damper on an otherwise fine MLK day…

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  Sisyphus on January 17 at 4:48 p.m.

  Make sure y’all go patronize the Mexican restaurants they picketed last week.

  http://www.43sb.com/?q=node/5764

  That should pick you up.

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  Cindy_H on January 17 at 4:50 p.m.

  As I don’t have any neo-nazis in the area to drive by and spit and shout at, I’ve done my part to embrace diversity by asking my husband to bring home Chinese takeout for the family dinner.
  You celebrate MLK Day your way, I’ll celebrate it my way.

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  hmoffsuite on January 17 at 4:59 p.m.

  Otv >>> “I have a friend who moved here last year from the Portland area and she called me a few minutes ago about the Aryans on NW Blvd”

  I seem to recall that Portland has had its own problems with the Aryans. Surprised your friend had not been exposed to any of this crap down there or that she would be so taken back by it here.

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  DFO on January 17 at 5:02 p.m.

  I moved OrangeTV’s comment re: Aryans on NW Blvd out front to launch its own thread.

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  DFO on January 17 at 5:02 p.m.

  @ DanG re: Sent you a pic.

  I didn’t get it. Send again. Would make an interesting post out front. Thanx.

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  Kootenai_Conservative on January 17 at 5:15 p.m.

  Good on ya Sisyphus.

  However, as we ponder human rights this MLK Day, consider that in 2011 bigots like this are ridiculed and ostracized even in conservative Idaho.

  Meantime, bigots like Bryan Fischer and Peter Sprigg are routinely brought onto mainstream cable talk shows and allowed to rub shoulders with members of Congress and presidential candidates. People whose entire existence seems to be drawn around spreading lies, invective, and hatred against gays.

  So for all who purport to abhor bigotry and embrace human rights, make sure your principles don’t stop at race. It’s high time that the law and, more importantly, the culture stop discriminating against LGBT Americans simply because of who we are.

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  moscow_minidoka on January 17 at 5:20 p.m.

  hmoff wrote about a mine permit being revoked: “When we are facing a horrible economy, extreme unemployment and other energy issues, why would this be done, at this time? Looks like another Obama administration decision without proper consideration of the ‘unintended consequences’.”

  MM responded: Hmoff, does it EVER occur to you that there are entirely valid values in life that have nothing to do with economics? Say, for example: Environmental values. Spiritual values. Social values.

  Based on the stuff you post here, the only thing that matters to you is The Almighty Dollar. Pardon me if I don’t worship that “god.”

  There are some people who would rather not destroy every mountaintop in West Virginia in exchange for the short-term gains of a coal mine. I don’t mind if you disagree with that view, but for goodness sake, every thing that happens that you don’t like doesn’t have to be some example of Obama’s nefarious plots.

  Hmoff’s motto: “Money good. Obama bad.”

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  moscow_minidoka on January 17 at 5:23 p.m.

  Agree with you, KC. The nice thing about the Aryans is that it only takes a glance to know that they’re human garbage. People like Bryan Fischer are the real snakes, because they twist themselves into acrobatics claiming that they are messengers of a loving god.

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  Kootenai_Conservative on January 17 at 5:30 p.m.

  I should add that I’m not talking about those people who are opposed to gay marriage or favor DADT. I think most of those people mean well but are just completely misguided on the facts and on proper interpretation of religious doctrines.

  I’m talking about people who have compared homosexuals to Nazis and terrorists, called for gay people to be arrested and thrown in jail, and who routinely refer to us as “deviants,” “perverts,” or worse. That people like that are still welcomed into mainstream politics in this day and age is nothing short of mindboggling.

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  hmoffsuite on January 17 at 5:34 p.m.

  mm >> “MM responded: Hmoff, does it EVER occur to you that there are entirely valid values in life that have nothing to do with economics?”

  Of course. Those things are terribly important. My concerns are with regard to the timing. Right now, when jobs and our economy are in balance, I think it not the best time to be implementing policies that will be detrimental to the economic recovery and job creation. That, I think, trumps the ‘feel good’ stuff. And, fwiw, with this development along with Obama changing his mind and banning off shore oil again, we are headed to $4/gal gasoline, if not higher. That will effect not only the economy but individual families and small businesses as well. Since Obama doesn’t seem to have any sort of energy policy, $5/gal gas is not out of the question. And, let me amend your little motto.

  “Jobs good, Obama bad.”

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  nic on January 17 at 5:47 p.m.

  “Surprised your friend had not been exposed to any of this crap down there or that she would be so taken back by it here.”

  Do the math hmo…

  Lets pretend there’s 50 of these scumbags parading around CdA, and 200 neonazis in Portland. Those around here are going to be more noticeable than a group 4 times their numbers in a city like Portland.

  To repeat, do the math.

  200 creeps in a population of 2.2 million.
  vs
  50 freaks in a population of 131 thousand

  That’s (hypothetically) 1 racist craphats per 11,000 Portlanders against 1 skinhead per 2600 in the CdA area. Mathematically speaking, you have about a 0.009% of randomly bumping into one of 200 white supremacists in Portland, but a 0.04% chance of the same problem in Cd’A.

  They also have a greater area to roam in Portland. The City of Portland is 10 times bigger than Couer d’Alene. So even if there was only one jerk standing with a sign on a street corner, you have a greater chance of driving by that person here in Cd’A than you would in Portland.

  So even if there’s more of these jerks in Portland, you’re more likely to run into a smaller problem in a smaller town like ours.

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  kamm on January 17 at 5:50 p.m.

  I’m the sister of a lesbian who has been more successful in her partnership than I, and two of my brothers, ever were in our marriages. They have 2 ‘girly-girl’ daughters in their teens, worked hard to attain their education goals, pay taxes, vote, participate in PTA and their community. They volunteer to help the ‘throw away’ homeless find a place in life.

  I don’t pass judgement on them; I’m still trying to clean my own house

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  moscow_minidoka on January 17 at 6:11 p.m.

  Right, hmoff. So when the economy’s in the crapper, we don’t need to drink clean water or breathe fresh air, because it’s more important that huge multinational corporations make their shareholders happy by growing at or above the forecast rate. Really, new mountains are growing all the time, and I’m sure they’ll find some snazzy way to get all the toxic waste out of the watershed. Gotta make money, after all. Screw the average citizens - who cares if they die at 45 instead of 70 because we’re poisoning their community?

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  kamm on January 17 at 6:21 p.m.

  @mm
  Amen, Brother MM, Amen!

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  hmoffsuite on January 17 at 6:55 p.m.

  mm >> “Right, hmoff. So when the economy’s in the crapper, we don’t need to drink clean water or breathe fresh air”

  The curious thing is that in 2007, the EPA felt the mining operation seemed to be just fine. Today, not so much huh? And, fwiw, those average citizens are the same ones that will be losing their jobs. Nice for the families, I am sure. This particular decision was so arbitrary and capricious that even their democrat congressmen were outraged.

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  hmoffsuite on January 17 at 7:13 p.m.

  When we discussed the EPA last go around, I was jumped on for having said that the EPA often changed the rules. Seems my comments were not unique.

  “”According to the EPA, it doesn’t matter if you did everything right, if you followed all of the rules,” Manchin wrote. “Why? They just change the rules.”“

  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/17/obama-coal-crackdown-sends-message-industry/#

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  Phaedrus on January 17 at 7:32 p.m.

  The curious thing is that in 2007, the EPA felt the mining operation seemed to be just fine. Today, not so much huh—suite

  Not curious at all. Think man! Bush was the POTUS in 2007 and enforcement of regulations was NOT a priority be it at the EPA or the SEC.

  Are you really unable/unwilling to think these things through? Do you lack intellectual curiosity in even the most rudimentary form? Some of your comments are Palinesque in there lack of thoughtfulness.

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  DanGookin on January 17 at 7:38 p.m.

  Sent you another copy of the picture, Dave. Using your spokesman.com address.

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  kamm on January 17 at 9:50 p.m.

  Some responders are so predictable that they needn’t even post a comment. Post your ‘name’; we’ll know what you think.

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  Truly on January 17 at 11:30 p.m.

  Cindy,––––— seriously? That makes us all feel so warm & fuzzy.

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