Missy May 23, 2017, 5:32 p.m.
I applaud your effort in trying to educate anglers on how to safely handle these fish, but in doing to you've put them in a more precarious position.
Now everyone who has an interest in fishing for these guys knows exactly where and when to go, and what size fish they can expect to catch.
You could have just as easily written this article without giving away this information, which will no doubt put even more pressure on these fish, and likely cause the closure of fishing in these tributaries in spawning season. The people who already knew this held it as one of their most closely guarded secrets for a reason, and you have just shouted it from the mountain tops. The least you can to is take out the identifying locations in your article.
As the article said, most people fishing these spots are generally careful with the fish. It's because they know how special this opportunity is and want to be careful with the fish so they have a shot at catching them again in the future. They also don't want to give fish and game any reason to close these tributaries. The ability to fish during spawning season is an unusual one and most fishermen who take advantage of this opportunity are very aware of this, so they do what they can to respect the fish to ensure the are allowed to in future years.
You may have just put the final nail in the coffin for this fishing in these rivers. Not that some people won't be happy about it.
Thanks to you, anyone who reads this article has all the pertinent information except what to catch them on. They won't have put any work into it; they won't be the ones who treasure it as a well guarded, secret, wild place to be treasured. You've put it on the map, and like so many other wild things will never be the same. But maybe it will be considered a good thing for some, as it will no doubt end with the closure of these fisheries.
Lammo May 23, 2017, 11 a.m.
I don't think these words mean what you (generic, not you in particular) think they mean. If this is an easement, then it is not public land, i.e., the public does not own that part of the land. The grantee of the easement only has the right to cross the land (or to do whatever else the easement might allow). An easement can be adversely possessed and/or abandoned. I don't know what is the case here but you (generically) cannot use the terms "easement" and "public land" to mean the same thing. Unfortunately, the blog uses both terms without seeming to understand the difference.
Dataxman May 23, 2017, 9:25 a.m.
There is no adverse possession of public lands.
opeled May 23, 2017, 9:21 a.m.
SugarShane May 23, 2017, 9:18 a.m.
What the what? YAY Discuss is back and on the articles themselves? Oh wait, I'm on a blog. Celebration over.
Rich Landers May 22, 2017, 6:03 p.m.
My fault. I've corrected the date online. Thanks.
powderfarmer May 22, 2017, 12:52 p.m.
depending on how long the city has let the easement be encroached upon, the homeowners could go to quiet title through adverse possession.
traaveler May 22, 2017, 8:06 a.m.
Rich, I think the date is Saturday June 10.
e_byrnes_phd May 21, 2017, 6:01 p.m.
If there is a public access easement, then it is right to require that the adjacent property owners do not obstruct access through that easement.
Keith Bell May 20, 2017, 2:37 p.m.
The proposed Curlew Connector grant application is different than the Phase 4 grant application. The Curlew Connector was seeking funding through the Federal Highway Administration Transportation Alternative Program, not the Safe Routes to School Program. At the time this proposal was discussed with the commissioners they did not indicate that Ferry County Public Works was also making a grant application for this funding source. There was also no mention of it in the minutes of the commissioners meetings. At least one other county in NE Washington has more than one project applying for this funding. This is the same source that funded the Curlew Lake trestle decking project.
The Phase 4 grant application is being made through the Washington State Recreation & Conservation Office. It is the same source that has provided funding for the Phase 2 and 3 surfacing projects. This grant would continue the surfacing along the trail.
The Rail Corridor Committee has sent many emails to the Ferry County Public Works director over the past 7 years. None have been acknowledged or returned. That has been pointed out to the commissioners many times without any improvement. We would like nothing more than to work together for the benefit of our community.
Desert Prog May 20, 2017, noon
Do Rail-Trails impact local economies? Thinking of the bigger picture in addition to all the wonderful trails we have explored over the years. :) From my perspective it's critical recognize that non-motorized areas (committees, volunteers etc) are needed separate from motorized ones. The only reason to combine them from my view is to overrun one or the other.
"Varieties of economic impacts /There are many ways that trails and greenways affect the local and national economies, including:
Health care savings
Jobs and investment
General consumer spending"
Roger Kienberg May 19, 2017, 8:27 a.m.
Let the folks of Ferry County decide what is best for Ferry County.
Glenda Lovejoy May 18, 2017, 10:26 p.m.
This is coming from county leaders?? How incredibly short-sighted. Karma will bite in the end.
Scottm_CLE May 18, 2017, 8:56 p.m.
I hope Stupid doesn't win...
Scottm_CLE May 18, 2017, 8:52 p.m.
Ferry County folks have done a fine job pulling this project together! Don't mess up a good thing folks!
liam o'brien May 18, 2017, 10:26 a.m.
Simply the latest example of a person who has a grudge against anything they perceive to be "liberal."
Searcher May 18, 2017, 9:40 a.m.
Try visiting Shoshone/Kootenai County, Idaho:
bradley bleck May 18, 2017, 7:30 a.m.
I have to wonder if this is a move of pure spite or pure stupid. I'm leaning toward stupidly spiteful.
Sneaker May 17, 2017, 10:53 p.m.
I only have one comment. The Curlew School Board voted unanimously to not support the safe route to schools grant application. Mr. Whittaker is using a little sleight of hand by suggesting they support phase 4 while remaining silent on the safe route to schools grant application. The phase 4 grant competes with a grant the county has applied for. The rail corridor committee and Ferry County Public works need to work together in the future so they do not compete for a grant out of the same pool of money. Come on folks, stop your bickering and work together.
Nobody May 17, 2017, 10:43 p.m.
Ok good enough. Like I said didn't know anything more than what I read in the article and comments.
Eric J Morris May 17, 2017, 10:36 p.m.
Well, since you asked: I think it means that you appear to be an obese lazy boy who could use some healthy exercise. Or not, and simply enjoy your impending cardiac arrest.
Nobody May 17, 2017, 10:26 p.m.
I don't have any weight in this at all but hasn't this group done all the work to improve this trail? I know absolutely nothing about this issue besides what I read. I enjoy being away from noise but I am also an ATV rider. Aren't there other places for ATV/UTV/Motorcyles, etc... to go ride? Did this used to be a motorized trail? Why after all the work this group has put in is it being halted? Why are you so against this being a non-motorized trail system? Obviously you are in favor of everything being motorized. Have you put in the time and effort to help this trail? Please share why you are so obviously upset so I can understand the situation better.
square_root May 17, 2017, 10:03 p.m.
Looks like you could stand to do a little walking.
Buddybirddog1 May 17, 2017, 9:46 p.m.
Confederate flag / race baiting ? Come on CM I'm new to this conversation give me something more than innuendo and symbolism. I am far from a "anti-ATV" person I love the sport but your responses to the comment's about this article are quite frankly embarrassing and self destructive if you'r trying to promote the sport.
Sandi Lierley May 17, 2017, 7:43 p.m.
yes, a quiet hike in nature without the buzz and danger of being run over. we need it. I hope we can get some good support on this.
jackflash May 17, 2017, 5:27 p.m.
Commissioner Blankenship has been an unabashed supporter of the American Lands Council and using taxpayer money to support the Utah based group and their weasel state Representative. Blankenship sees himself as real "Rebel" by posting Confederate Flag pictures as well as racist pictures of President Obama.
RandomestMan May 17, 2017, 3:55 p.m.
Sounds like it would be a trail worth visiting. I'll take the money I would have spent in local businesses and go check out more trail friendly communities. And yes, I have visited Ferry County in the past.
Roger Kienberg May 17, 2017, 8:50 a.m.
Releasing fertile fish. About time.
Chad Yoder May 16, 2017, 3:45 p.m.
come check out my website www.outdoorworld.company
Wedeln4REFUGEES May 16, 2017, 5:54 a.m.
You eat a big serving of carp first before giving it to the homeless
Skippadoodoo May 15, 2017, 2:40 a.m.
Sure enough, what people are supposed to do (what is legal) and what they actually do are sometimes not connected to one another. No change in my story. This Wolf has been tracked (she has had a collar for more than 10 years of her 12 year life) going outside of the park (rarely) in the past but there have never been any incidents where she was nearby when livestock were attacked so it is unlikely that she was shot while going after livestock.
It is much more likely that she was randomly shot by somebody who saw her and had a gun. Rumor has it that the wound was a gut shot which is typical of those who want a slow, painful death.
Any way you cut it, this act was illegal (with the only exception being shot at while going after livestock which is very unlikely) and not an appropriate thing to do in my opinion.
Montana Boy May 14, 2017, 9:10 p.m.
Once again your story has changed. First you claim it was likely shot outside the park where it was not killed. Therefore it would not be required to be reported because you only have to report killing a wolf. People shoot at wolves all the time and miss therefore you are not required to report shooting at a wolf.
Anyone who would poach this wolf isn't going to report it any more than a drug dealer is going to report said income.
cogpv May 14, 2017, 3:59 p.m.
Skippadoodoo May 14, 2017, 3:15 p.m.
Any take of Wolves (or intentional injury inside of a National Park) is required to be reported. That will include shoot on site in Wyoming. Let me guess, one of your buddies thought this was a Coyote, huh Mr. McKittrick?
Montana Boy May 14, 2017, 3:05 p.m.
You're claiming that you are required to report poaching a wolf in a national park or out of season.
Skippadoodoo May 14, 2017, 2:50 p.m.
If shot inside the park or out of season, that shooting is required to be reported. The only exception to that is if shot while attacking livestock outside of the park. This particular animal had no history of livestock interaction in the 12 years that she lived so it is very unlikely she was involved in that. So, her demise, more likely than not was supposed to be reported.
Montana Boy May 14, 2017, 2:44 p.m.
NO You are only required to report killing a wolf.
You are not required to report one chasing your cattle or shooting at the wolf chasing the cattle.
Can't post my own thoughts????, but then you go on to mention my thoughts.
memyselfandi May 14, 2017, 12:07 p.m.
Good point. These fish could be donated to the food bank or other provider for the needy.
memyselfandi May 14, 2017, 12:06 p.m.
1. Why were the tench, also an invasive, non-native species, returned to the water alive?
2. Removing the large carp that the nets catch, while small ones are not caught, will only have the effect of the smaller ones growing faster, maturing faster, and reproducing more effectively. Therefore, ultimately there will be more (or at least as many) carp as before.
Skippadoodoo May 14, 2017, 1:20 a.m.
At least I can still see the light! Where your head is, that is not possible. Can't post your own thoughts but have to respond to mine just like the bullyboy that you are. I post a comment and you post a caustic response (which contains nothing more than trash). Too close to campers or shot by a cattle farmer. Both instances are required to be reported. Whoever shot this Wolf broke the law no matter the circumstances. Such a sad, pathetic fool.
And that post indicating that Red Wolves could not exist without Coyotes, really? Trash In = Trash Out KOT!
Justin Taylor May 13, 2017, 6:21 p.m.
What do they do with the fish?
Montana Boy May 13, 2017, 2:13 p.m.
Again you have nothing to add but some childish name calling.
Perhaps if your heels weren't behind your ears it wouldn't be such a difficult task.
Skippadoodoo May 13, 2017, 1:12 p.m.
Trollieow eow . . . Stuck right between The Queen & King of Trash. A fate worse than death itself. Keeping one's head above the spewage is an extremely difficult task.
Montana Boy May 13, 2017, 12:18 p.m.
Thanks to skippy we now know a lot more details.
If the wolf was shot outside the park how do we know it wasn't doing what wolves do outside the park, hunting livestock and got shot for doing so.
OR maybe it was too close for comfort to some campers.
Either way some park ranger killed the iconic animal along with several thousand tourist who have conditioned this wolf to human activity making it a icon.
jumpermso71 May 13, 2017, 7:51 a.m.
so long as CEO and other senior management along with board of directors and their families are required to drink the run off from mine and this lasts as long as the mine is open seems like the water would then be safe for fish.
reality22 May 12, 2017, 8:13 p.m.
Someone really needs to look into the necropsy, gotta wonder if these the same "investigators" that came up with the conclusion that Kenton Carnegie was killed by bears....
This is a quote from the following article...... "Last year, the famed white wolf left the park and went into Montana for a few days. Dr. Smith said a hunter who hates wolves sought the 11-year-old female out as a prize trophy. But the animal returned to safety in the park." How in the hell does SMITH know that someone "hates" wolves ...... maybe the guy LOVES other wildlife like MOOSE.....there GONE in the northern range of Yellowstone because of the vermin! SMITH SHOULD HAVE BEEN FIRED for making that comment and having it plastered in the NY Times! His bigotry and hate toward hunters is getting to be to much! If he did the necropsy I would believe a word of it!
Skippadoodoo May 12, 2017, 9:38 a.m.
Likely shot outside the park. Either way poaching killed this iconic animal. That individual needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
Roger Kienberg May 12, 2017, 8:19 a.m.
They can have both fish and the mine and now after many years of liberal shut down everything it will finally get a fair second look.
spokesfolk May 12, 2017, 8:13 a.m.
Caught between Liberals that hate hunters and fishers, and Conservatives who hate rules that protect flora and fauna.
Stacey Galbreath-Hunter May 11, 2017, 10:40 p.m.
This is a huge blow to the fly fishing community. My sincerest thoughts are with the Winston "family" and I hope the rebuild happens ASAP. We need you!
Stacey Galbreath-Hunter May 11, 2017, 10:39 p.m.
Check out the pics from the local news station. I don't think there is anything left. Literally. No one was hurt.
Timmy Miller May 9, 2017, 8:26 p.m.
Very sad to hear! Sunday fire, everyone was out, no injuries? If there is anything left for a fire damaged sale, message me!
powderfarmer May 9, 2017, 6:54 p.m.
Rlwy May 9, 2017, 9:20 a.m.
Timmy Miller May 9, 2017, 7:59 a.m.
Dynamite works! Is rotenone going to be used????
iridebikes May 9, 2017, 5:24 a.m.
In the midwest its common to smoke Carp and eat them. Don't know if its the same type of Carp owever>
Karl Knutson May 8, 2017, 10:38 p.m.
Carp is good, it is on menu of most restaurants in Germany, France and Italy.
reality22 May 8, 2017, 5:30 p.m.
Adding insult to injury is the MO of those like Rod Coronado that put animals before people. The false narrative that they push are these "non-lethal" hoodwink talking points by the wolf pimps are all things that will stop depredation and habituation is quite laughable. The truth is they are almost all things ranchers have been taught for eons. It's common knowledge that these have been discussed in any ranching type vocational class from school for decades of DECADES. They are not "new" .... from range riding, to removing dead, animals to birthing in certain areas ALL are things that are a normal part of ranching and have been for some time ESPECIALLY those more prone to predators. The false narrative that this is something new & ranchers are at fault because of not following "non-lethal" methods needs to be dunked to its fullest & those like Robby Wielgus that push this bogus narrative need to be held accountable. It needs to be stressed that "non-lethal" have always only been mitigatory & DOES NOT stop depredation. They really need to be held accountable when they do stuff like they did with the McIrvins and Dashiells..
McIrvins..... The big "not following" non-lethal with them was being accused of "refusing Range riders" when they told the FEDs to concentrate their range riders on the neighboring public lands for the ALREADY had their private property covered.
Dashiells..... The big "not following" non-lethal with them was not being able to get their equipment to some of the dead livestock because of poor terrain and weather. .... so they were accused of not burying their dead 1500# animals! Also, according to the media the Dashiells soon received enough menacing calls they had to turn off their phone. Another tactic by the pimps that I’m thinking the likes of Rod C would be proud was the posting craigslist ads advertising a three day party (free beer free food, free parking, and free camping) at their residence. The time wasted countering that Identify theft mess added insult to injury.
Certainly a need for this law!
Thin-ice May 8, 2017, 3:50 p.m.
E-yeuuu. Extremely bony fish.
Karl Knutson May 8, 2017, 12:43 p.m.
Can I get some of the fish to eat?
reality22 May 7, 2017, 6:30 a.m.
YOUR an idiot MAN has been PART OF ALL those ecosystems for at least 12000 years ALWAYS KILLING PREDATORS... YOUR perverted version of healthy ecosystems can be seen in the secondary prey animals in areas saturated with wolves. From the Moose in Yellowstone and MN to the Caribou in Northern ID to the Elk in WI..... YOU and your bigotry have failed those animals because of your perverted version of "healthy ecosystems".
Mistletoe May 7, 2017, 5:22 a.m.
Why root for a team that doesn't win the Super Bowl?
reality22 May 7, 2017, 4:10 a.m.
Good post, Also, not enough is said about these public lands being transitions from and to private lands. Saturating these transition areas with predators is setting them up for failure. It is already time to start hunting wolves in the NE part of the state.
Skippadoodoo May 7, 2017, 1:51 a.m.
Simple math, but not for simple minds. So, I will add "fraud" to the long list of trash that you spew bullyboy. Don't like it, don't waste your time reading it or replying King of Trash.
Skippadoodoo May 7, 2017, 1:47 a.m.
Mr. McIrvin is a Cow farmer, not a sheep farmer. Again, talk about being a liar bullyboy . . . anybody that doesn't see things your way is a "liar, stupid, idiot". What a sad and pathetic world you live in O Foolish King of Trash! Oh yeah, and no opinions are allowed, only fact based information from whatever source one cares to use. DJT would be proud if only he knew!
Skippadoodoo May 7, 2017, 1:42 a.m.
Ranchers loose more livestock to domestic dogs than they do wild animals. Weather, rustlers, disease, all are greater killers of livestock than predators and folks like Len McIrvin (who baited both the Wedge Pack and the Profanity Peak Pack with his livestock) are the reason more and more public grazing allotments are being retired. How many confirmed Wolf packs in Washington state? Less than 15 so 3 Wolf packs depredated? There are also fewer Wolves in Washington state than any other predator by far so your Chicken Little rant is just more of the same King of Trash. Cattle farmers that operate in a responsible manner have few problems with predators. Most conflicts occur when cattle farmers do not use BMP's and modern husbandry practices (as is the case with Mr. McIrvin). His neighbors have had few problems because of the way that they operate. The same reason Mr. McIrvin has had so many problems, because of the way that he operates. BTW, 20% of Wolf packs is not the same as 20% of the Wolf population, talk about being a liar bullyboy . . .
Skippadoodoo May 7, 2017, 1:28 a.m.
Nature has done a wonderful job of managing wild life numbers for thousands of years before humans were present. Minnesota's Wolf population was stable for a decade without human management and Michigan's Wolf population had become stable prior to hunting.
Your fantasy world of human domination and manipulation has created many more problems than it has solved. Taxpayers have spent billions of dollars restoring wild life populations that were destroyed by human arrogance and ignorance and the livestock industry and sport and trophy hunters top that list in terms of destruction. Disgusting and vile people advocate for the poisoning and poaching of predators.
wilburthedog May 7, 2017, 12:56 a.m.
Sad, but preventable. So many people want to climb these mountains, kind of a "bucket list" of things to accomplish, yet they are extremely dangerous. Why risk your life just to say "I did it"?
reality22 May 6, 2017, 5:39 p.m.
AND THERE IT IS IN BLACK AND WHITE.... the basis of her BIGOTRY and hate. Take a good look everyone.
Keeping wolves at reasonable responsible levels for the welfare of ALL WILDLIFE, Pets and Livestock and the taxpayer is the reason the sportsman manages "innocent" wolves .... the inevitability of killing wolves is inescapable! The bigot above complains of the cost to kill a pack of wolves.....then wants more! What a joke.
Montana Boy May 6, 2017, 2:50 p.m.
Huge expense to taxpayers??? With a over $3,000,000,000 budget whining about the feds spending $500,000 is a laugh and shows just how out of touch with reality you've been.
While on one hand claiming anything less than 1% is a small amount then claiming it's a huge amount. Your hypocrite plan and simple.
Montana Boy May 6, 2017, 2:39 p.m.
Once again skippy blames the ranchers. Beef cattle losses are less than 1% in areas where wolves and cattle over lap according to Wielgus's own data yet skippy claims ranchers are not doing enough to protect livestock and therefore protect wolves.
Fact is ranchers are working their tails off to protect their livestock from a predator that is more likely to kill livestock than any other predator. 20% of Washington wolf packs were confirmed to kill livestock in 2016. No other predator in Washington had 20% of it's population killing livestock. Problem is wolf behavior defended by liars like skippy at all cost.
Montana Boy May 6, 2017, 2:10 p.m.
Habitual liar skippy once again has started telling her lies. At some point one would think everyone would know skippy is unable to tell the truth, but idiots still up vote these lies.
McIrvin's sheep were on a private property before the wolves started scattering them. This continuation of making this a public lands argument is simply another lie. As the wolf lover tell us wolves don't know property lines. 80% of confirmed wolf depredations in Montana occur on private land. Over 50% of Oregon's wolves live on private lands and kill over half of there cattle on private lands. Liars like skippy will tell all the lies they can because the truth isn't on their side.
Montana Boy May 6, 2017, 11:30 a.m.
Again with the lies. You constantly claim 1% and have been proven that your lying. You've never provided a source of your 1% while the most extreme anti grazing groups claim the number is several 100% greater than what you claim. You are a fraud and a liar skippy.
Skippadoodoo May 6, 2017, 11:06 a.m.
Disgusting people poach and poison and SSS. Vile people bait and call and hound and kill innocent animals that nobody eats because they enjoy killing.
Montana Boy May 6, 2017, 11:03 a.m.
Another BS comment you can't back up.
Skippadoodoo May 6, 2017, 11:02 a.m.
Talking trash again and can't even spell. No wonder you are The Queen of Trash Sam Lobo! May your daughter grow old enough soon so that she can escape the toxic environment that you have so handily provided.
reality22 May 6, 2017, 3:14 a.m.
The REAL "irresponsible" conduct here are the welfare environmental lawyers that couldn't help but abuse the ESA for easy picking of EAJA dollars. That irresponsible conduct would have CERTAINLY gone a long what to alleviating the issues John was having. Disgusting people pimp wolves.
reality22 May 6, 2017, 2:46 a.m.
So says the bigot that has thrown his own father under the buss.
Skippadoodoo May 5, 2017, 11:27 p.m.
No Laurie! Blame those that act in a negligent and irresponsible manner as those are the folks that cause almost all of the problems! Blaming a predator who takes an easy meal in order to survive and killing that animal and it's family members primarily for spite and payback is how you would deal with these issues. Mr. Koski, like Mr. McIrvin, was irresponsible and negligent (and defiant) in the way he conducted his business. Two farms, over 100 miles apart, both of which were in Wolf territory. No help at all, just one old man who was not able to take care of either operation and refused to quit when he was unable to conduct his businesses in a responsible and reasonable manner. He is the one to blame for the cattle and donkey and wolf deaths. If he had been physically able or gotten help and acted responsibly, most of those grisly deaths would not have taken place. Mr. McIrvin is no different other than he has adequate help and baited those wolves with his cows so that WDF&G would kill those animals. He won the battle and will loose the war when all of his grazing allotments are retired. THANK YOU Mr. McIrvin for being so arrogant and ignorant and stubborn and defiant! Unfortunately, all of Mr. McIrvin's neighbors, who did act in a reasonable, responsible manner and as a result had few problems with Wolves (unlike Mr. McIrvin) will also loose out because of Mr. McIrvin's negligent and irresponsible ways. Hope that works good for you Laurie.
Skippadoodoo May 5, 2017, 11:09 p.m.
Have been an outdoorsman for many more years than you have been. Was hunting many years before you were even born. My family has been in the livestock business for many years also and I grew up on a farm (how about you?). As is usually the case, what you think and have to say has no basis in fact or reality QOT.
reality22 May 5, 2017, 8:39 p.m.
Immer, thank you for validating everything I feel about you and your cause...... I see the above "Up vote" on doodoo visceral & have a sense of righteousness to my tone towards you.
reality22 May 5, 2017, 4:59 p.m.
And there you have it..... wolf pimping 101.... ALWAYS yes ALWAYS blame the rancher. ONE little secret that good old doodoo don't want you to know....that it is not unusual for the rancher at the upper end of the valley, coolie, basin or gorge to have issues with predators before those ranchers in the valley below. Remove that rancher and the next one in line becomes doodoo next target. Just like what these vile predator pimps did to John Koski..... You don't know John? Well let me tell you.....
One Northern Michigan farmer named John Koski is probably the biggest “villain”. I was appalled at what the Michigan Liberal Media doodoo and the radical environmental groups did to that elderly Gentleman. There is no doubt that Mr Koski is not going to win to many awards for his animal husbandry. One has to wonder if Mr Koski the 70 year old didn't have the energy to put up new fences, to be moving his cattle in and out of different pastures daily or take care of three donkeys that were expected to scare wolves. NO Doubt he had poor animal husbandry techniques BUT, those putting wolves into his PRIVATE land pastures should hold some of that blame! I can’t think of one 70 year old that has the same energy they had at 30 or 40! Expecting him to put flaggies on the fences and electrify his fence, move cattle a couple times a day, feed their darn donkey’s all so fools like the HSUS can create controversy so “donate now” buttons get pressed. It’s common knowledge that John had had enough and gave up after years of torment from not knowing what the morning would bring on his herd! I don’t blame him for pretty much letting the wolves eat his cattle JUST to prove what the wolves can do! Keeping wolves at the number in the Michigan wolf management plan would have gone a long way at alleviating some of the pressure on John. BUT, the HSUS maximum wolves at maximum cost to taxpayers, livestock owners, pet owners and game herds almost assures us that John would have continuous issues every year for eternity.
Even though they never changed him with anything that I’m aware of in regards to wolves and livestock depredations, they brought charges against John regarding the mules he was expected to care for in order to “scare” wolves. John has since sold that acreage falling prey to the HSUS and doodoo. Running people off of private lands is what it is about isn’t it? They claim wolves don’t run private land owners off their property…….not true in MI state is it.
reality22 May 5, 2017, 4:47 p.m.
Look in your mirror doodoo..... What can one expect from the mouth of a rancher sportsman hating bigot.......?
Skippadoodoo May 5, 2017, 2:32 p.m.
Spank you very much Sunshine! Coming from somebody like you I most assuredly consider that to be a compliment!
Skippadoodoo May 5, 2017, 2:30 p.m.
I could care less whether you believe me or not. It is of no concern to me what so ever. Just keep your hatred and intolerance of innocent animals who have done nothing wrong to yourself for it is haters like you that have caused so much of the damage and destruction to our planet and it's resources.
Skippadoodoo May 5, 2017, 2:28 p.m.
Again more ignorance, at least you are consistent! My point of view (public lands for public animals) is held by the vast majority of taxpayers and voters.
SunShine May 5, 2017, 2:27 p.m.
A pack living on your land, hmm? I don't believe you. If you did you would understand pack behavor and it's clear you do not. As I said, I do not even find you interesting. Go find a freeway to enjoy.
Skippadoodoo May 5, 2017, 2:25 p.m.
Perhaps you should educate yourself before running your mouth off Sunshine. I had a pack living on my land seven years ago. All was good until my neighbors killed those innocent animals. I will never have that opportunity again in my lifetime simply because of hateful, ignorant, intolerant folks like you Little Red Riding Hood.
SunShine May 5, 2017, 2:25 p.m.
You are not even interesting.
SunShine May 5, 2017, 2:24 p.m.
Who made you king of heaven and earth, hmm? It's my land, too. And I'm a hunter and angler who contributed to the state conservation till far more than you, I'm anticipating from your words. Go find a dense urban area filled with auto emissions and white on white paintings to enjoy, OK? The rural area is not your thing, nor valued by you.
SunShine May 5, 2017, 2:21 p.m.
You have to be urban with no rural experience at all to state what you have stated. One natural disaster and you'll be screaming for government help because like an indoor cat, you have no knowledge of how to survive on the planet outside of pavement. What I wish is that I could drop a pack of wolves in your backyard where they can be with someone who enjoys them -- and the pets they'll happily tear apart starting at the abdomen. Your thinking is in need of more time in the back country. But I bet you're too scared of bugs.
Skippadoodoo May 5, 2017, 2:16 p.m.
And which animal kills more humans than any other animal Laurie? That would be humans. Humans kill more humans than all other animals combined, just like Wolves killing Wolves so I guess that is another trait that we share with the wild version of man's best friend. No human utopia either QOT!
Your contention that Washington State has reached it's Wolf saturation point is just more of the same trash that you continue to spew. Shame on you for being so hateful and intolerant! And yes, some Wolves do need to be killed for habituation and depredation issues the vast majority of which are created by human negligence. Science and statistics make that point blatantly clear as Mr. McIrvin and his bad attitudes cause him more predator problems than all of his neighbors combined.
Skippadoodoo May 5, 2017, 2:06 p.m.
More on the way and that is a wonderful thing!
Skippadoodoo May 5, 2017, 2:05 p.m.
Yes doodo loves Elk. Doodoo knows lots of Cowpokes and sportsmen and outdoorsmen. No hypocrisy here Laurie. You are the one with the jaundiced eye towards most everything that is within gazing distance.
Skippadoodoo May 5, 2017, 2:02 p.m.
Misinformed from top to bottom, at least you are consistent with your ignorance!
Skippadoodoo May 5, 2017, 2:01 p.m.
More of all! No private animals (dogs on leashes are OK) on public lands. That is what is best for everybody and everything except that minuscule group of welfare ranchers who get what they want (using my land for their profit) at the expense of everybody and everything else.
Skippadoodoo May 5, 2017, 1:57 p.m.
Lots of range fed beef in Iowa, Nebraska, Missouri and Oklahoma which is where Cows and Sheep should be raised. Not in the dessert (like Bundy) or in the forest (like McIrvin). Don't need public lands for cattle grazing. Cows and Sheep shouldn't be raised on public lands at a huge expense to taxpayers (over $500,000 a year in direct and tax subsidies), wild life species and the environment.
17,000 permit holders (small group) who produce less than 1% of the beef consumed in the US (small amount) while costing taxpayers, wild life species and the environment greatly! Welfare ranchers take ALOT more off of the table than they bring to it, always have and always will.
Skippadoodoo May 5, 2017, 1:50 p.m.
More garbage out Laurie, same old trash. Donate now button, bigoted hatred of ranchers and sportsmen, blah,blah blah. Your sense of reality is so twisted and convoluted because of the hatred and bigotry for predators and other wild life that have much more of a need to live on public lands than somebody's privately owned Cows and Sheep.
Tell your welfare ranching friends to buy some land, adequately fence it and make a reasonable effort at BMP's and acceptable husbandry practices. That will solve the vast majority of the problems that we all agree on. And your support of comments like that of "Sunshine" also indicate your strong desire to support misstatements by folks who are just as clueless and narrow minded as you are!
SunShine May 5, 2017, 1:10 p.m.
Choose: Beef from cattle that are able to graze or beef from cattle confined in stockyards. Money from cattle grazing permits to the state to help reduce expenses, along with the income from timber and hunting -- or you coughing up the dollars for management Public land needs dollars to support it. And when it was first designated as public land there was a legal acknowlegement that the public had a right to use it -- ranchers, hunters, anglers, outfitters-- we are taxpaying citizens who also pay to use those lands. Hikers? They pay zero other than federal and state taxes. But they are to reap all of the benefit? What's the logic in this? Just because it's dirt and trees and rivers does not mean all public land should have no value to humans. Good grief.
reality22 May 5, 2017, 11:55 a.m.
"Dr. Wielgus has both the expertise and the undeniable proof to demonstrate that the State of Washington has not been responsible in the way that it has managed it's Wolf population. He also has shown, on more than one occasion, that Len McIrvin and the Diamond M Ranch have intentionally baited Wolves with his livestock." I hope the McIrvins sue your butt too! You wouldn't know science if it hit you in the head with a 2x4! BTW, science says good to marginal habitat is saturated in WA state WITH JUST 15 breeding pars! IT'S already time to start shooting them in the eastern part of the state to keep them in better habitat. THAT'S SCIENCE! Because we BOTH know that there is no place on earth and no place in history where wolves have lived around people and didn't need to be shot for habituation and depredations issues.....DOODOO has no wolf utopia!
Rich Landers writes and photographs stories and columns for a wide range of outdoors coverage, including Outdoors feature sections on Sunday and Thursday.