Monday prep thread

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  NC_Supporter on February 08 at 2:47 p.m.

  As far as the GSL 3A playoffs go, the seeding is pretty much set regardless of what happens this week: #1-SP, #2-NC, #3-Rogers, #4-EV.

  NC is hoping that they can avoid a repeat of last year when they beat Rogers both times during the regular season only to lose to them in the district and regional playoffs.

  If everything holds true to form, SP and NC should face off for a third time this season in the District title game.

  As far as regionals go, Shadle Park at 14-4 would have to be considered the favorite right now with Sunnyside from the CBBN being the #2 choice with a record of 12-5 to make it to state.

  The other two CBBN 3A teams are Hanford with a record of 9-9 and West Valley-Yakima at 3-15.

  Hopefully NC can put the Groovy Shoes embarrasment behind them and finish league play strong and hit their stride and make it to state along with Shadle Park out of the GSL.

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  Al_Loysius on February 08 at 3:15 p.m.

  As to the 4A Regionals for boys and girls, are the following true?:

  1.) All games in Tri-Cities
  2.) GSL gets 3 teams to Regionals and the CBBL gets 5.
  3.) 3 teams go to State.
  4.) GSL Top seeds have to play “mid-range” CBBL seeds in first round. CBBL top seed get bottom seeds as opponent.
  5.) GSL parents and fans get to shell out for gas, motel and eats while most of CBBL teams do not.

  With the new 4A and 3A numbers starting next year, what new package (I hope) is going to be implemented for 2010-11? I would hope the Regionals would alternate between Spokane and Tri-Cities.

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  jimmyball on February 08 at 3:50 p.m.

  Al,
  You hit it on the head, although 4 teams go to state from regional this year. I think GSL will get at least 2 (probably GPrep and Mead) to move on to Tacoma.

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  Mike Vlahovich on February 08 at 4:06 p.m.

  The main reason the eastern regional has remained in Kennewick I was told a year or so ago is that there was no business in Spokane willing to sponsor the event here. Then the numbers of teams changed which reinforced the decision to keep it down there. Next year with the number of 4A schools equalizing would be a good time to seek out a local sponsor and get the regional back on a rotating basis. Some of you might go back far enough to remember when the regional (first two rounds of state) was always in Spokane before things went back to the 16-team tournament. Regardless, the Big Nine routinely dominated in getting a team from our side to the semifinals.

  Also - FYI. The Greater Spokane League basketball scoring stats are based on all games among league teams, 3A and 4A counters or not in the league standings (excluding the EV-Mt. Spokane game in the Cheney Blackhawk Christmas tourney). Reason was to give current athletes an opportunity to earn spots in the record books by keeping game numbers relatively equal to the 16-, 19- and 20- game league counts of seasons gone by. There was a glitch last week for NC girls when a non-league game was inadvertently included - this week's have been corrected.

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  eastsidefan on February 08 at 9:11 p.m.

  Mike, I dont think it is right that point totals arent tallied for the full 20 game season. A player cant control how the league is set up and this way he or she is being penalized for playing games over the Christmas break.

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  Geoff on February 09 at 9:44 a.m.

  With only three berths to the 4A regionals, there will be one very good girls team left in Spokane. I think on most nights you could throw Mead, CV, Prep and LC in a hat and not be surprised by any of the results. Each of those teams is that solid.

  That being said, no guarantee two of those will get any of the four tourney spots because the CBBL girls is equally strong.

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  Cavebear on February 09 at 10:11 a.m.

  Well put me on the side of the grumpy old f–ts the way the league scoring is being done this year. When I grew up, league games were league games, non league games didn't count in scoring totals, even if played against league opponents in a Christmas tournament or some such. In the old days the Spokane City League, prior to the GSL, had six teams and therefore 10 league games. That meant they had 10 openings for non league and that was filled a number of times with games against league opponents. The scoring title was based on the games in league, not what you may have scored against the same team in a non league setting. I think that's the way it should stay. I really disagree with eastsidefan that all 20 games should count. Even with the politically correct method of counting non league games this year, at least it's being done based on those league opponents played outside of counting games. I really don't want totals in league based on games against South Kamloops, Chief Sealth, Thomas Jefferson, Chiawana, Tahoma or whoever else was played. Why even keep league standings? Good grief.
  “Scrooge” Cavebear

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  GSLFan . on February 09 at 11:15 a.m.

  
  As eastsidefan alludes to, if a GSL team happens to play 1 or 2 other GSL teams in non-league games, that counts but playing against high level competition like Bellarmine or Seattle Prep doesn't? And as to Cavebear's historical perspective relative to non-league contests, only counting league stats has to do with the level of competition as well. Rogers played Priest River, for heaven's sake. Thus, league games were the only ones who ever counted in final scoring totals.

  What makes the most sense to me is strictly a league-only total AND a recognition of Points Per Game. This allows for comparison across generations for those seasons when the GSL may have played a 10, 16 or 20 game schedule. I can't tell whether Ryan Nicholas' 22.8 PPG is good unless matched up against Morrison or Mallon or Sanders.

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  eastsidefan on February 09 at 12:55 p.m.

  If I am not mistaken, if you look at the scoring leaders on the greater spokane league website you will see Morrison, Mallon and Livengood for example at the top of the list. They were playing when the GSL didnt have less than a 20 game schedule so therefore all games counted towards their point totals. This year players will get shorted several games because of the re-design of the league schedule and that is what I dont think is necessarily the best way to count games.

  In the big picture not a big deal either way but it is just my opinion that if you have all schools playing the same number of total games then the playing field is even and all should count.

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  NC_Supporter on February 09 at 1:20 p.m.

  I agree that there should be one stat category for league games and one for overall. Even if teams play other GSL teams in non-league games, each coach approaches those games with a different agenda. NC, for example, played all 12 players in their non-league games against University and Ferris and and the starters didn't play nearly the same amount of minutes that they did against U High and Ferris in the league games that counted and therefore weren't given the opportunity to score as much in the non-league games.

  Also, there is a big difference in non-league level of competition. NC played Medical Lake in a non-league game while several other GSL schools played high quality teams from Western Washington during Christmas break.

  Just my 2 cents worth.

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  Al_Loysius on February 09 at 10:17 p.m.

  Maybe if one were to use one of those new-fangled things called a “computer” one could use one of them new-fangled Excel spread sheets and feed the League numbers into one column, the non-League numbers into another and totals go into a third column. You could give a High School kid a coupon to Dick's once or twice a week and he or she could feed in the numbers from the game summaries from the GSL.

  By golly, you could do it for football, soccer, baseball and softball too.

  Just my 5 cents worth.

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