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March 13, 2009 in City
Suspended officer found not guilty in shooting
Jay Olsen back on payroll, will get back wages
Spokane Police officer James “Jay” Olsen waits in a courtroom Friday, Mar. 13, 2009 for a jury’s decision from a hearing where the jury determined that Olsen had acted in self-defense in the shooting of Shonto Pete. The decision means that Olsen’s legal bills will be paid by the taxpayers and that he will receive back pay for the time he was suspended. JESSE TINSLEY THE SPOKESMAN-REVIEW
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Suspended Spokane police officer Jay Olsen was acquitted of first-degree assault and reckless endangerment for shooting Shonto Pete in the head and firing four other bullets in Peaceful Valley on Feb. 26, 2007.
An eight-man, four-woman jury delivered its verdict Friday afternoon in the courtroom of Spokane County Superior Court Judge Jerome Leveque.
Because the jury determined the shooting was in self-defense, Olsen’s lawyer is entitled to seek payment of his legal fees from state taxpayers. Olsen will be paid all his back pay according to civil service rules, said city spokeswoman Marlene Feist.
Olsen had been on unpaid layoff status since his April 2007 arrest, but following Friday’s verdict he was placed on paid administrative leave pending the outcome of an internal affairs investigation.
Olsen’s friends and family, including his police sergeant brother, 40-year old Eric Olsen, began to cry as the verdict was read. Pete and his family walked out in disgust.
Several law enforcement officers, including Spokane Police Officer Ronald G. Tille, gave victory arm pumps after the verdict. “You’re coming home,” they said to Olsen, who was breathing hard and trembling as he hugged his friends.
Extra security was called for a buffer between Olsen and Pete in an effort to avoid a confrontation.
“I’d hate it if Shonto Pete tried to hurt Jay. I’d like to prevent that,” said uniformed SWAT Team member Terry Preuninger after he’d shaken Olsen’s hand.
Olsen refused to talk to journalists assembled in the courthouse hallway, staying in the courtroom and deferring to his attorney, Rob Cossey.
“This trial was very intense. If (Olsen) had been convicted, he’d be facing a lot of years in prison,” Cossey said.
Asked if Olsen would likely be returning to his job as a swing-shift patrol officer in the Spokane Police Department, Cossey said he doubts it.
“He committed significant violations of department policy. I don’t think he’s getting his job back,” Cossey said. Those violations included getting drunk while off-duty in a local bar with a concealed weapon strapped to his waist, and chasing Pete but not calling 911 or police dispatch during the confrontation.
Spokane County Prosecutor Larry Steinmetz, who had accused Olsen during the trial of deliberately trying to kill Pete, said he was surprised by the verdict. Steinmetz declined to talk to jurors afterwards, as did Cossey. Jurors also refused to talk to the press.
Pete assailed the jury for its verdict.
“Apparently you can shoot someone in the head and get away with it. You can act as reckless as you want if you’re a cop. It’s totally unfair that he was acquitted,” he said.
“It would have been different if he weren’t Native American. My brother didn’t get justice,” said Pete’s sister, Crystal Craft.
“This was a coverup,” said Pete’s mother, Diana Cote, a poet and former photojournalist from Montana. “The judge wouldn’t let them hear my son was found not guilty of stealing Olsen’s truck, and they weren’t allowed to hear that he called a lawyer” instead of law enforcement after the shooting, Cote said.
“It’s really bad for the city… I don’t feel safe here,” Cote added. She left town immediately after the verdict.
Uniformed sheriff’s deputies escorted Olsen and his supporters out a side emergency entrance to avoid Pete and his family in the main hallway. Pete chased them down the street to Cossey’s office on North Monroe, exchanging words with Olsen’s attorney.
The high-profile trial had overtones of racism and disparate treatment.
Pete, 29, was shot by a white cop who Pete testified swore at him when he asked for a ride home after the bars closed and began to follow him in a truck while Pete fled on foot. Both men were drunk, according to court testimony.
Olsen and his friend Renee Main, who’d been drinking with Olsen at Dempsey’s, a downtown bar, said Pete stole Olsen’s truck and they gave chase in her car. Steinmetz told the jury in his closing statements that there was no proof of that.
A Spokane jury acquitted Pete of the theft charge in October 2007.
Pete was interviewed by detectives at the hospital shortly after the shooting, when he was drunk and under the influence of morphine as doctors removed a hollow-point bullet from his scalp.
Cossey rebuffed a request by police detectives to interview Olsen the night of the shooting because Olsen was drunk. Olsen wasn’t interviewed until two days later, with Cossey by his side, after he’d consulted his police guild representative.
Shortly after he’d shot Pete, Olsen made four calls to Main, two calls to attorney Mel Champagne and one call to the police guild officer who’d be representing his interests in an officer-involved shooting investigation.
Steinmetz stressed repeatedly that Olsen never called 911, police dispatch, or any responding police officers before or after he’d shot Pete.
Olsen testified that he avoided the first officer to respond to Peaceful Valley, Police Sgt. Joel Fertakis, because Fertakis had given him lukewarm performance reviews and had made anti-gay remarks.
Pete criticized Olsen’s so-called “gay card” – his dramatic admission during the trial that he’s a closeted gay man who feared retaliation in a police department hostile to homosexuals.
Pete called the revelation “pathetic.”
“I could care less if he’s gay. He still shouldn’t be able to shoot people in the head,” Pete said.
Another wild card in the trial was the controversial testimony of Marvin D. Tucker, a police dispatch supervisor who appeared for the defense team.
Tucker claimed he’d answered a call from the Peaceful Valley neighbor who called 911 after a bleeding Pete appeared on his porch asking for help. Tucker testified he didn’t ask his name, but said the “shooting victim” told him he’d gotten shot after stealing a truck.
The 911 tape Tucker referred to was erased and was never produced in discovery, although detectives investigating the case had asked for all recordings of the incident.
Jeff Holy, a retired police officer and a lawyer in Cossey’s office, said he heard about Tucker’s claim after Pete’s October 2007 trial and contacted Tucker late last year.
“I couldn’t believe the dispatcher comes up now… this guy needs to be investigated,” Pete said.
DOE offers to settle claims 
stagfury on March 13 at 2:59 p.m.
We’ll see what happens when I chase a guy through town, drunk and start shooting at someone. It’s open season as far as I’m concerned!
cantyoureadthesigns on March 13 at 3:12 p.m.
Well now the next step in completely this tragedy is for the SPD or an appeals board to give Olsen his job back, and of course $150,000 in back pay.
karl2002 on March 13 at 3:17 p.m.
It seems to be very difficult to convict a law enforcement officer of any wrongdoing in this town. Please tell me we don’t have to re-hire him or provide him with any benefits or back pay.
stoptheinsanity on March 13 at 3:33 p.m.
What did they do? Import those morons that were on the OJ Simpson jury? Yeah give this clown back pay and a bonus and put him back on the street.
Charlie on March 13 at 3:41 p.m.
Justice done or denied? Only getting my info from the S/R, it seems like Mr. Peete ended up with the dirty end of the stick, just like Otto Zehm got. At least Mr. Peete is still alive.
bartm on March 13 at 3:43 p.m.
Wow….
This is truly a shame.
Though to be honest, I told myself weeks ago that this is how it would end as to not be too shocked when the end actually arrived.
This further exemplifies the disgrace of our justice system.
alaska49 on March 13 at 3:54 p.m.
I feel for Mr. Pete, the thugs from the Spokane Police Department got away with another one! The jurors of this trial are an embarrassment to this community and should be ashamed of themselves. I think its time the citizens of Spokane speak up and the Mayor start a overhaul of the S.P.D. Sooner the better. To all the citizens of this once great city, when dealing with law enforcement be careful, very careful. You might just be the nexy victim.
misjustice on March 13 at 4:03 p.m.
Well, well, well; it is another beautiful day in Spokanistan, where 3rd world justice is delivered via the SPD and their very finest. But do not dismay, good citizens. Perhaps Mr. Pete will still get “justice” with his civil trial filed against the City of Spokanistan and Mr. “I have a secret” Olsen.
What is it with this Ickystan? How many more citizens have to endure police brutality, and even death?
vitalyb on March 13 at 4:05 p.m.
No surprise here, but it’s very unfortunate. This shows that you can do anything you want in this town and get away with it as long as you’re a cop.
jesday on March 13 at 4:16 p.m.
You people have got it all wrong! This was self-defense. Mr. Peete was bristling with weaponry. He was heavily armed (pocket knife). He was carrying explosives. (Gasoline). Had an assault weapon (tire wrench). He could have rammed him with the vehicle. He could have strangled him with his belt. Why, it was all Officer Olsen could do to defend himself by firing off five shots at Mr. Peete’s head with his Glock.
lewis8457 on March 13 at 4:24 p.m.
Another sad day in Spokane. No hope for anyone in this town. We will see Olsen rehired with back pay. I can not believe they could have found 12 of the stupidest people to be on the jury, anything can happen in Spokane.
sparkles on March 13 at 4:34 p.m.
Gosh, and I thought the good ol’boys club of Chelan County and the City of Chelan(before they were disbanded) was bad. Maybe they should move over to Spokane to show the dirty cops a few more tricks. Glad we are thinking of moving to Tennessee.
mc on March 13 at 4:54 p.m.
What an utter disgrace.
ChefGus/ John Olsen on March 13 at 5:11 p.m.
U F B gus
krieg1981 on March 13 at 5:24 p.m.
Everyone knows spokanistan polizei can shoot, electrocute or beat down anyone they want! Can anyone truly be surprised by this verdict?
steveberde on March 13 at 5:24 p.m.
I wasn’t in court and didn’t hear the testimony so I have no idea how it really was.
I know the jury did what they thought was the right thing in not convicting Mr. Olson. I am trying my best based on the reading of what happened that night to remain objective but I confess, it’s difficutl.
I know it’s not easy for the jury but I must say I am pretty surprised by this verdict. It’s one thing to have the SPD defend it’ own but for a jury of 12 find Mr Olson not guilty seems pretty hard to imagine.
Of course being in court and hearing testimony is far different than reading it print. Thankfully we have a system that usually calls for justice.
Steve Berde
thomg57 on March 13 at 5:35 p.m.
WOW! First Otto Zehm is murdered by the police and nothing happens and now Officer Olson, drunk and armed, shoots a fleeing man in the head and gets away with it. Open season on Spokanites.
danramsey on March 13 at 6:35 p.m.
Drunk … firing a gun in public … injuring someone.
Found NOT GUILTY of first-degree assault and reckless endangerment.
The only explanation … off duty Spokane Police Officer.
scotyboy on March 13 at 9:33 p.m.
wow can you believe, yet another one that spokane’s finest gets away with, where exactly is our justice system. what gives here, I guess that the “only way” to beat the system is to work for the system. Go figure.
Oh yeah, and what ever happened top the Officier Rob Boothe story. I’ve yet to hear the rest of that story.
chah on March 13 at 10:14 p.m.
i don’t live in your state, but i realy feel for you and your city. lock your doors and windows, check on your children and god for bid you every need an officer, call a different county or state. this place is to scary to even imagine. when the crooks are a better choice to call than the police dept. there is something realy wrong. cop or not a cop, we all live by the same laws don’t we, or do we. i never thought ,in this country we live in , that something like this could ever happen. god bless america and help us all.
a_different_Pete on March 13 at 11:10 p.m.
I’m disgusted! The FBI should investigate this case.
terrymr on March 14 at 1:27 a.m.
The saddest part is this guy will be given back his gun and his badge and be back on the streets - how long before he manages to kill somebody ?
ErnieWuthrich on March 14 at 2:04 a.m.
I believe that the jury made the right decision based on the facts presented in the trial. Both Shonto Pete and Jay Olsen were tried and acquitted by a jury of their peers. Like it or not, our justice system is the best in the world. For those of you that want to mock the decision made by Olsen’s jurors I suggest that you make a public records request for the transcripts. After you have read them thoroughly you would probably come to the same conclusion as the jurors that sat and carefully listened to both sides of the story. I don’t believe for one second that the fact that Olsen was a police officer had anything to do with the verdict. The citizens of Spokane do hold Spokane police officers to a higher standard than other citizens. In fact, Spokane police officers are held to even a higher standard than Spokane County Sheriff’s deputies and Washington State troopers. Take a moment and check how long it took the Spokane City Prosecutor’s office to drop the charges on Sgt. Pete Bunch, of the Spokane County Sheriff’s Office, after his recent arrest. The WSP supervisors that used fake college diplomas to gain their promotions were not charged. Has there been an outcry from the citizens to have any type of oversight for the Spokane County Sheriff’s Office or the WSP? If so, I haven’t heard it. The Spokane Police Officers have been professional enough to honor the request of the local media and the vocal minority in Spokane to help establish the Office of the Police Ombudsman. The Spokane police officers could have stood firm and decided not to allow the Office of the Police Ombudsman but they truly want the public to trust them. Without public trust they can’t do their jobs effectively. For the citizens that do trust the Spokane Police I want to thank you. I know that you are in the majority because many of you relay that information through letters, phone calls, and friendly greetings each day. I’ve been a Spokane Police Officer for 19 years and I’d lay my life down to protect any one of you. God bless.
Ernie Wuthrich
President, Spokane Police Guild
terryalan on March 14 at 7:08 a.m.
Sure…a transcript of the trial. A travesty of a trial where key information was suppressed…how do you think the jury would have voted knowing that Shonto Pete was acquitted? And how is that NOT relevant?
Nice job of rewriting circumstances…
Just because 2 years have passed doesn’t mean that memories fail…
Something I’m curious about…was Renee Main called as a witness in Shonto Pete’s theft trial? If she was driving Jay Olson in pursuit of his truck, wouldn’t that have been a pretty key witness?
tericj1 on March 14 at 7:27 a.m.
Spokane cops can now shoot anybody, anytime, for no reason, any time, and walk.
No citizen or any one else is now save in Spokane.
Good Justice Spokane; Good Justice.
Charlie on March 14 at 8:27 a.m.
Just a thought on the subject of cops on the witness stand. My opinion is that they are generally believed in that their testimony is 100% correct. Cops forget, lie see thing differently and are bias. They are no better or worse than you and me. All due respect but Olsen got away with his hide intact. Now the citizens of Spokane will pay, probably big time.
eagleproducer on March 14 at 9:24 a.m.
Olsen’s attorney is a community gem if there ever were one. He goes from defending gang banger dope dealers up from L.A. poisoning our streets and children with their drugs and thuggery to being a champion for rogue cops. I was unfortunate enough to enroll in a Business Law class he taught at S.F.C.C. When he showed up on time students were mostly met with inane anecdotal stories from his life as a defense attorney rather than planned curriculum. We may have made it 1/4 the way through the text and his syllabus.
Ernie: Why should anyone listen to what you’ve to say concerning this assault? You know your department acts with near impunity in this city and you all go out of your way keeping each other out of the courts and the press. If citizens only knew half of what your officers cover up they’d be lined up outside Kirkpatrick’s office. It’s always been that way and always will be that way in Spokanistan.
“If you want crime to stop, stop hiring crooked cops.”
Lucy on March 14 at 10:16 a.m.
Fair warning to all……..its open season. Now that a drunk, off duty, gun-wielding cop can shoot a fleeing “suspect” in the back of the head and get off scotfree, we’re all fair game. This is why the police force in this town gets no respect……they don’t deserve it. No more “public safety??” levies for me…..I’m voting them all down.
SimpleGuy on March 14 at 11:46 a.m.
I’m just a simple guy, but this is one of the most pathetic stories I’ve followed in my 59 years on this earth. The good people of Spokane have every right to feel embarrassed and disgusted. The story is so outrageous that, unfortunately, at some point “60 Minutes” will probably do a feature on it. The shame of this will stain Spokane for a generation. As for Mr. Ernie Wuthrich, President, Spokane Police Guild. You know, I actually believe you when you say, “I’ve been a Spokane Police Officer for 19 years and I’d lay my life down to protect any one of you.” But, Mr. Wuthrich, are you willing to state: “I’ll do everything in my power to rid Spokane of incompetent police officers to better protect our citizens”?
paperboy_12 on March 14 at 12:31 p.m.
I can appreciate the comments made by Mr Wuthrich and his backing of his guild members. I can also appreciate his comments about the facts presented to the jury, and the jury having to work with that information. Perhaps that is where questions should be addressed by the community.
The majority of the people leaving comments here feel the system has let the community down. It is my observation that many members of the local community have a perception of something being wrong with the outcome of this trial.
The following is a quote from the above Spokesman Review article:
“Several law enforcement officers, including Spokane Police Officer Ronald G. Tille, gave victory arm pumps after the verdict. “
This seems to project the feeling of “us verses them”. I believe I have read of these types of reactions by law enforcement in other cases in which a law enforcement officer was involved. Although I believe in solidarity among coworkers, I feel this public display leaves a negative feeling and perhaps contributes to some of the comments we are reading and hearing. It also makes me wonder how the Shonto Pete family feels when people who they look to for protection have such a reaction.
This situation is an example of many situations this community seems to face: we must find some middle ground. Our leaders will be forgiven for the miscues that can and will happen. We are humans. What is not understood is the perception that there seems to be no public accountability by our officials in these types of cases.
I would encourage positive dialog to strengthen our community.
M. Edwards
PlanB on March 14 at 12:54 p.m.
Sickening… And typical.
cme on March 14 at 1:03 p.m.
i really don’t know why people are getting all bent out of shape over this.
Jury’s come to decision based on testimony, credibility of witnesses, & evidence.
Pete stole an officers truck. One has to assume anyone who is a thief is armed/dangerous.
Had this been my Truck, Pete wouldn’t be alive today. He should count his blessings.
mariann on March 14 at 1:08 p.m.
Olson isn’t extraordinary, he is the straw that broke the camel’s back. According to the Center for Justice, over one dozen people have died at the hands of Spokane police officers - not one has been held accountable. Numerous beatings have been reported - nothing comes of it. The county prosecutor can’t be stopped when it comes to throwing motorists in jail for being involved in a traffic fatality, yet he has never, other than Olson, moved on these complaints that I can find. And his office lost the Olson case. The mayor and city council have sat on their ‘thumbs’ and dallied as this situation grew worse. The new chief of police seems as willing to do business as usual as her predecessor. Which translates to - “my officers can do no wrong - even when there’s video”. If the police union has the power to so completely obliterate justice, it needs to be banned under RICO. Because they have become as corrupt, as inept, and as dangerous and any mob in the country. Something needs to change.
misjustice on March 14 at 1:49 p.m.
After reading the comments from the majority of you, I am so ashamed of the citizens in this area. Where would we all be if not for the selflessness of our law enforcement? It wouldn’t be safe to ever leave your home and probably not safe in your own home.
Being the mom to two out of state deputy sheriffs, I hope & pray every night that my sons go home alive. I raised my sons to be respectful of people & to be law abiding citizens. They were typical teens & young adults, but never in trouble with the law. With that in mind, I don’t care where or what the situation is, they must at all times protect themselves. If they come upon a person that is out of control, it is their duty to be an officer at all times. They are to protect you at all times & that also gives them the right to protect themselves — whether on duty or off.
I’m not saying there are officers that do nothing wrong. What I am saying is if you were in their positions, where you are risking your life EVERY time you go to work or out into the public, it would be difficult.
If someone was either leaning against my vehicle or being seen trying to break in to my vehicle, I would react negatively toward that person. There is no law out there - anywhere - that gives anyone a ‘right’ to touch my things. I am not a public leaning post nor am I public transportation.
Regarding the fact that Mr. Olsen had a weapon with him is irrelevant. Spokane City/County DID NOT have any rules about an off duty officer carrying a concealed weapon to an establishment that serves alcohol. The DO now. So, therefore this officer in question did nothing wrong by having his weapon with him.
As we all know, just because a jury finds a person not guilty does not make them innocent of the charges. The facts presented to the jury says Officer Jay Olsen acted in self defense & Mr. Pete’s actions after the verdict just reinforces my opinion of Mr. Pete & what actually happened that night. Which of the two men’s juries got it right? We will never know. But, you can tell the mentality of Mr. Shonto Pete and his ‘non-aggressiveness’ when he decided to follow Mr. Cossey, the attorney, back to his office… all the while ranting at him. Oh yes, I’m sure he was just wanting to ask him for a ride home. After all, that’s all he did to Mr. Olsen. Right? Yeah, right.
andrew58 on March 14 at 4:34 p.m.
I am reminded of a song by Metallica, justice is lost, just is raped, ……. yeah, this might be inappropriate and bad. But the outcome of this so called trial is worse.
Andrew
mallardtracker on March 15 at 12:11 a.m.
I have lived here for nearly 40 years, and this police situation has never changed. It has been a closed club since ‘way before we came here. I have seen bad cops in other places, inept departments, crooked cops, and any number of other problems. But I have never seen such a force with such a “them vs. us” attitude. There are any number of good, honest, hardworking cops on the force, but they simply don’t have the power. I suspect Chief Kirkpatrick wishes she’d never applied for the job. I believe she would like to change it for the better, but is really unable to get the job done. The police guild has resisted all efforts for years to get any kind of outside oversight, and has always closed ranks against those who oppose it in any way. You could see that come out again at the end of this trial. This trial result will only magnify the enmity between much of the community and that dominant part of the force. To say this was a miscarriage of justice is an understatement to most of us. But it did go to a jury and I am speechless and absolutely astounded to see that there was not one soul on that panel who was willing to stand up and say, “He shot him in the back! How the hell could he be not guilty?” Yes, it’s scary, especially since it will probably embolden that segment of the force which is always involved in these problems. As I live slightly outside the city limits, I’m going to try to stay there most of the time. Spokane is a wonderful city, but it deserves better law enforcement.
johnbarker on March 15 at 9:43 p.m.
That jury was full of morons- plain and simple. What a total travesty.
howie59 on March 18 at 9:49 a.m.
Let’s see — Shonto Pete is interviewed while still drunk AND under the influence of morphine AND after having a bullet removed from his head. Meanwhile, one of the SPD’s finest gets to take two days to sober up and consult with his attorney before giving a statement. Then, the jury is not allowed to hear that Pete was found not guilty of stealing this man’s truck. And furthermore, a witness suddenly appears with testimony about an alleged 911 tape that was “erased” — funny it didn’t come up in Pete’s trial, now isn’t it? The prosecutor apparently did little to call into question the alleged erased tape. I’m not sure the jurors are the morons here.
While it would appear Shonto Pete is no choirboy, I wish him much luck in his future legal action. It would appear that he has plenty of material to work with. And Jay Olsen should never wear a uniform or carry a gun again, IMHO.
jenny on March 20 at 4:38 p.m.
Way to go Howie! The jury was made aware that Pete was still drunk and under the influence of morphine and had just had a bullet removed from his head. But it seems that they could not comprehend that. Pete was the victim and still is the victim. You can’t get a good interview from someone and call it fair when they are all drugged up. Referring back to “Gramma”, you must be Olsen’s adopted gramma and I see that gramma you agree that Shonto asked for a ride home because he did and Olsen and Main lie about it too by leaving that part out of their testimony, so conveniently. Ask Olsen and his best friend why they covered up that information in court gramma could you please. Poor jury that did not get all the facts. Shonto Pete has all the evidence, a head shot, not guilty of car theft. credible witnesses who heard him talking to the police department, his own credibility. He never threatened Olsen who just wants to lie and save his job. Why does a jury dispute DNA and fingerprinting? They didn’t lie are you trying to say don’t trust them? Its Olsen who can’t be trusted and his friend Main and the dispatcher Tucker. Deal with them. What are the fingerprinting experts there for if no one believes them? They work hard at their jobs. Gramma you should just go take Olsen out behind a woodshed and spank him hard for lying and for makiing you believe his lies. Your sons who are cops were raised better and I don’t believe they would lie. We hope you can see the truth sometime and not believe those around you who lie with their hand right in the cookie jar. DNA can’t be wrong because they do a thorough job. The cold hard facts were not taken into consideration and that is a slap in the face towards the people who do DNA and fingerprinting. You can’t deny the facts gramma and God Bless you.
kristiankaren on April 03 at 11:24 p.m.
I keep telling everyone Spokane is a GOOD OLD BOYS NETWORK!!!!! They have got dirty cops, prosecutors, attorneys, Chief of Police, and now even dispatchers watching their backs!!!! It is a joke to live in this city and to believe in any type of justice!!!!! I think they all have crap on each other and they all have each others backs!!! You notice how they prey on the weak…. like Otto Zehm and Shonto Pete??? People that can’t fight back because they don’t have the resources to do so??? I just wish ONCE they would pick the wrong guy that would take it to the top and SUE THIS CITY BLIND!!!!! It starts from the top and trickles down they think they can do what ever they want and one day THEY WILL GO TOO FAR!!!!! I hope I live to see that day. And Grandma you need to retire honey……. You must have ALZHEIMERS either that or YOU HAVE YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND!!!! YOU ARE WAY OUT THERE!!!!!