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April 8, 2010
Bomb found at U.S. Courthouse
Federal officials kept discovery secret
The doorway of the Review Tower frames the Thomas S. Foley U.S. Courthouse in downtown Spokane Wednesday.
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At a time of heightened concerns over threats to government officials, federal authorities in Spokane kept quiet about the discovery of a bomb found alongside the Thomas S. Foley U.S. Courthouse last week.
They acknowledged the investigation Wednesday, however, after the latest edition of Newsweek magazine disclosed the March 28 discovery as part of an article examining increasing anti-government threats and violence spreading across the nation.
U.S. Attorney Jim McDevitt defended the decision to try keeping the case under wraps.
“It’s an ongoing criminal investigation,” McDevitt said. “Basically, that’s all we can say.”
The device was located late in the evening on a Sunday, said Tom Rice, spokesman for the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Eastern District of Washington. Rice wouldn’t describe the device, where it was found or whether federal agents have identified any suspects.
“I will be guarded in what I say. We would confirm that a device was located. But that’s as far as we are going to go,” Rice said. “The appropriate people in the courthouse were notified. … (W)e didn’t want to compromise the active investigation.”
McDevitt, who was attending a conference Wednesday in California, said federal authorities were not compelled to inform neighboring businesses about the discovery.
“I’m not sure if members of the public or people in neighboring buildings were in danger,” he said. “I’m not an expert but … the device was not something that, from my standpoint, would have done any harm except to the immediate area … the area within feet.”
Although no one has suggested a direct link, the bomb was planted during a wave of threats against politicians and other government officials that some believe was triggered by outrage over passage of the recent health care reforms.
On Wednesday, for example, the FBI arrested a Northern California man on allegations that he made threatening phone calls to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, law enforcement officials told the Associated Press. Charges against the man have yet to be disclosed, but they are expected to be filed in federal court in California.
On Tuesday, authorities announced charges against a 64-year-old Yakima-area man accused of making threatening calls to U.S. Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash. Charges also have been filed against a Philadelphia man who allegedly made a YouTube video threatening U.S. Rep. Eric Cantor, R-Va.
Spokane is no stranger to anti-government threats and violence.
A pipe bomb packed with nails and screws exploded outside Spokane City Hall on April 29, 1996. There were no injuries, but the blast blew out a window in one of the doors at the Post Street entrance and sent shrapnel flying into Riverfront Park. Authorities called the bomb fairly sophisticated, with a timer and electronic ignition.
Federal prosecutors later indicted white supremacists Chevie Kehoe, of Colville, and Danny Lee, of Yukon, Okla., for the bombing. Both also were later convicted in the 1996 murders of an Arkansas gun dealer, his wife and her 8-year-old daughter. Kehoe, the alleged mastermind, was sentenced to life in prison, while Lee was given a death sentence.
Also in April 1996, a pipe bomb exploded at the Valley office of The Spokesman-Review shortly before a nearby bank was robbed and bombed. A Planned Parenthood office was bombed in July 1996 shortly before the bank was robbed for a second time. No one was injured in either blast.
Verne Merrell, Robert S. Berry and Charles Barbee were arrested in October 1996 near Yakima. Prosecutors said they were traveling from their hometown of Sandpoint to Portland to rob another bank. The fourth defendant, Brian Ratigan, was arrested later and tried separately.
All four were convicted of armed bank robbery, bombings and conspiracy, and Merrell, Berry and Barbee were convicted of additional weapons charges. Those three were sentenced to life in prison without parole.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Judicial appointee helps track suspect 
Another_Perspective on April 08 at 12:27 a.m.
Where is Ron The Cop to save the day?
McDevitt is too aligned with the Republican party in Spokane to think independantly anyway.
Mr_Bloggy on April 08 at 5:53 a.m.
Stay classy, GOP.
BitofBacon on April 08 at 5:55 a.m.
Who needs Ron the Cop when we have you, Another_Perspective?
misjustice on April 08 at 8:04 a.m.
Yeah, get ‘em anotherperspective!
misjustice on April 08 at 8:06 a.m.
Besides that, RontheCop’s specialty is white collar/financial crime, not IEDs or homegrown terrorism…
leekinny on April 08 at 8:13 a.m.
Is this some nut reacting to right wing hate speech ? Is it someone upset at the way a trial is going or went ? Was there a specific target in mind ?
Violent reaction to disagreements is being encouraged, far too often, by not only FOX and reactionary radio, but, also by too large of a group of GOP legislators.
shanusmaximus on April 08 at 8:26 a.m.
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Yes, I agree. Freedom of speech is what is to blame. <sarcasm>
tinybobidaho on April 08 at 8:32 a.m.
leekinny on April 08 at 8:13 a.m.
Is this some nut reacting to right wing hate speech ? Is it someone upset at the way a trial is going or went ? Was there a specific target in mind ?
Violent reaction to disagreements is being encouraged, far too often, by not only FOX and reactionary radio, but, also by too large of a group of GOP legislators.
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Typical hate speech baiting by the liberal loons. Show the proof that the GOP or any conservative media is encouraging any kind of violence. You conveniently ignore the GOP legislators who have been threatened. If you want to document hate, I could list a whole slew of liberal idiots who have been violent throughout history in this country. Maybe you need to look at your own party a little closer before you get on here with your silly accusations and hate baiting.
Another_Perspective on April 08 at 8:40 a.m.
BitOfBacon.. nice try, but your buddy Karl Thompson is gonna fry for murdering Otto Zehm.
lewis8457 on April 08 at 8:50 a.m.
tThe county and federal buildings are very venerable. A lot more then the average person thinks. Sure there are guards at the doors but no one really has any common sense.
Case in point one night when I was supervisor at the federal building one of the janitors misplaced his vacuum. He was sure he left it outside by the handicap ramp, but we could not find it. Finally we found it in a closet in the GSA services area. Later that night I was telling the guards about it and one of them said oh yes I found that and put it in the building for you………….BLLAAMMOO
leekinny on April 08 at 8:51 a.m.
Refusing to admit to, or see, the racism and hate within you midst is to freely participate in those vulgarities.
misjustice on April 08 at 8:53 a.m.
“Sarah Palin is targeting — yes, with gun sights — House Democrats facing tough reelection fights who voted for health care reform.
Palin’s Facebook page now carries a map featuring 20 gun sights, one for each of the Democrats targeted this year by her political action committee SarahPAC. ”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/24/sarah-palins-pac-puts-gun_n_511433.html
Speak of violence and hait baiting…yeah, you betcha, wink, wink; )
SassyKat on April 08 at 8:58 a.m.
IT was very sad that the “powers that be” didn’t even inform those who work in the building until 3 days after the event. AND, I don’t think all of them were informed!! To me, it would mean that every body that works there would perhaps have their eyes and ears opened just a little bit more and could perhaps spot something out of the ordinary and report it. I know now that if I should have business in the courthouse, from now on, I’ll be looking around!
misjustice on April 08 at 9:00 a.m.
Our Republican hate speech problem: Can good speech win out?
By Bonnie Bucqueroux on March 27, 2010
“The freshman seminar on free speech/hate speech that I teach at Michigan State ended last Wednesday. But I wish that we had a few more sessions to discuss the disturbing events of this past week, as unrelenting hate speech began to morph into violence.
The right-wing attack machines have been in high gear for months, fomenting fear and loathing about the new health-care bill and those who are pushing for it. By the time the House of Representatives voted for the first time last Saturday, the bile at Tea Party rallies and on talk radio had reached fever pitch. African American faced racial taunts from protesters, and Representative Emanuel Cleaver said he was spit on. Representative Barney Frank was called a faggot as he made his way to the hall to vote.
During debate prior to the vote, Republican Congressman Randy Neugebauer, a birther caught on tape questioning President Obama’s citizenship, erupted and called Michigan Representative Bart Stupak a “baby killer”. Stupak soon began receiving death threats from pro-life zealots for ending his opposition to the health care bill.
Two Tea Partiers printed the wrong address for Virginia Representative Tom Periello, urging their followers to “stop by” and “thank him” for his vote. The Periello brother who lives at that address posted then finds his gas line cut.
What should we do when free speech risks normalizing if not inciting violence?”
http://lansingonlinenews.com/news/our-republican-hate-speech-problem-can-good-speech-win-out/
more Hate’n and stuff…
Ron_the_Cop on April 08 at 9:00 a.m.
FYI - interesting spin by Newsweek re the issue of this bomb found at the U.S. Courthouse. Sounds like this was a small device. These types of things do occur with some frequency but to say with some certainty it’s related to one cause or another is very premature at this point. Newsweek is pushing an agenda.
McDevitt’s explanation of why surrounding businesses were not notified is a little disingenuous. I would be interested in who handled the bomb disposal. You can’t hide everything behind the facade of an ongoing investigation. There are somethings you need to disclose to the public.
misjustice on April 08 at 9:01 a.m.
tinybob, you are making the liberal point by the tone and tenor of your denial…
TOOBAD2 on April 08 at 9:08 a.m.
WELL FOLKS I KNOW YOU HAVE HEARD IT ALL BEFORE. I DON’T KNOW ABOUT YOU , BUT AS FOR ME AND MY FAMILY WE WILL TAKE THE OLD DAYS BACK IN 1960’S WHEN LIFE WAS GOOD AND WE DIDN’T HAVE ALL THIS LIBERAL CRAP. LIFE NOW AS YOU KNOW IT IS NOT THE WAY IT SHOULD BE. MOST OF YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOUR MISSING SO DON’T TELL ME I’M A RACIEST OR ANY OF THE OTHER LABELS THE LIBERALS USE. IF YOUR PARENTS WERE TO BE YOUR AGE NOW YOU WOULD NOT BE BORNED , YOU WOULD BE ABORTED . IT’S TOO BAD THEY DIDN’T DO THINGS LIKE THAT BACK THEN. O-WELL I GUESS WERE JUST STUCK WITH YOU . YES WE DID BOMBS BACK THEN TOO….. WE HAD FREE LOVE TOO , BUT WERE PAYING FOR THAT NOW.
tinybobidaho on April 08 at 9:11 a.m.
misjustice wrote:
The right-wing attack machines have been in high gear for months, fomenting fear and loathing about the new health-care bill and those who are pushing for it. By the time the House of Representatives voted for the first time last Saturday, the bile at Tea Party rallies and on talk radio had reached fever pitch. African American faced racial taunts from protesters, and Representative Emanuel Cleaver said he was spit on. Representative Barney Frank was called a faggot as he made his way to the hall to vote.
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This is how this misinformation gets out there with people like you spreading propaganda. There has been no proof that any of these things happened. In fact, there is a hefty reward offered for anyone who can come forth with a video or audio to prove this and so far nothing. With all the cameras centered on this group you’d think if this actually happened, someone would have something to prove it. Your Queen Nancy and her crowd of goons purposely walked through the crowd of Tea Partiers, then made up a bunch of lies to try to diminish the movement. If you paid attention to the Tea Party, you would’ve seen that that the one held in Searchlight , NV for example, had two black main speakers. This is how hate is spread, by people like you who don’t have the facts.
misjustice on April 08 at 9:15 a.m.
Yes, by all means, let’s go back to the good old days; when white men ruled everything!
When women and minorities “knew” their places, and damn well stayed there! And when there weren’t any gay people or illegal immigrants either…it was a veritable Shangrala, paradise.
Yes, things were so much better then; for the white guys, not for anyone else!
misjustice on April 08 at 9:16 a.m.
tiney, keep clinging to your guns and violence and your denial…
tinybobidaho on April 08 at 9:24 a.m.
misjustice on April 08 at 9:01 a.m.
tinybob, you are making the liberal point by the tone and tenor of your denial…
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And you’re proving my point by not showing proof of your accusations. All of this liberal whining tells me you know your party is going to take a good beating in the 2010 elections, and I can’t wait! After I vote in the morning of the November elections, I’m going to cheer as I watch these liberal idiots get booted from their seats. Then in 2012, I’ll cheer even harder when I see this one term President get booted. Hopefully when we get these liberals out of office, there is still enough left of our country to save.
misjustice on April 08 at 9:25 a.m.
and tiney, you certainly have the right-wing “talk” radio and Faux Noose points refined…
tinybobidaho on April 08 at 9:29 a.m.
misjustice on April 08 at 9:25 a.m.
and tiney, you certainly have the right-wing “talk” radio and Faux Noose points refined…
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Yup, and it’s too bad you don’t have your facts straight. But that’s typical of the left. They have no defense for the things they do, so they use hate speech. Keep going, you’re proving my point.
misjustice on April 08 at 9:30 a.m.
Yeah, but they will still call you tiny…and I can’t help but wonder why?? Lol!
All leekinney did was pose a question asking IF the hate talkers like Rush, and Beck, and Palin could have some part to play in things like IEDs and death threats against political leaders…
One thing I can agree on, see ya at the ballot box; which is how we settle things in this country. Not with militias or death threats or IEDs; that’s how the Taliban operates…
shanusmaximus on April 08 at 9:34 a.m.
@Misjustice
“What should we do when free speech risks normalizing if not inciting violence?”
What part of free and speech do you not get? Also, you all are simply assuming with ZERO facts. But that seems fairly typical.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CzteD…
Is she talking about engaging in “hate” speech?
http://www.binscorner.com/pages/d/dea…
Potential terrorists? Hate speech? Maybe a reeducation camp for these, eh?
Remember the saying by the Dems years back? What was it? Oh yes, “It’s the economy stupid.” I would like to say to all of you ITS THE ECONOMY STUPID!!!!! Race has nothing to do with it. When this whole system goes ass over tea kettle your race won’t matter because we will all be broke. Black, white, brown, yellow, purple…
Things are spinning into the toilet faster everyday and you all engage in puerile arguments. You won’t argue actual facts so it has become who can yell RACIST loud enough to drown out or flat out ignore any real argument. This isn’t a damn pro-wrestling game anymore.
Nobody likes censorship and fascism more than Republicans than Democrats…and YOU are the people that scare me. You wouldn’t give two squirts if they started throwing people in jail for what they say would you? Do you understand that this was the same thing that happened in Soviet Russia???
spokanecommunistparty on April 08 at 9:35 a.m.
Republican Terrorists are becoming a serious threat, and they seem to be getting worse. That terror threat color thing should be raised a notch or two. I’m still voting Democrat this fall =p
horse_feathers on April 08 at 9:36 a.m.
misjustice……. so tired of your crap
misjustice on April 08 at 9:41 a.m.
SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) —Accused man’s mom blames Fox News for behavior:
Gregory Giusti’s 83-year-old mother had not heard that her son had been arrested, but she told ABC7 he has a history of mental problems. She does not think he would be capable of carrying out the threat; he has never owned a gun, and she blames Fox News for getting her son worked up.
Giusti was arrested Wednesday afternoon for threatening Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi over recent healthcare legislation.
“Greg frequently gets in with a group of people that have really radical ideas and that are not consistent with myself or the rest of the family, which gets him into problems,” Eleanor Giusti said. “I say Fox News, or all of those that are really radical, and
SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) —Accused man’s mom blames Fox News for behavior:
Gregory Giusti’s 83-year-old mother had not heard that her son had been arrested, but she told ABC7 he has a history of mental problems. She does not think he would be capable of carrying out the threat; he has never owned a gun, and she blames Fox News for getting her son worked up.
Giusti was arrested Wednesday afternoon for threatening Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi over recent healthcare legislation.
“Greg frequently gets in with a group of people that have really radical ideas and that are not consistent with myself or the rest of the family, which gets him into problems,” Eleanor Giusti said. “I say Fox News, or all of those that are really radical, and
and he, that’s where he comes from.”
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/mother-man-accused-threatening-speaker-pel
There is a podcast of the news broadcast for those that care to view it…
Thanks horsefeathers, that means a lot to me! ; ) wink,wink,wink
Sort of makes it all worth while!
D Statler on April 08 at 9:45 a.m.
I can’t believe they went after the federal courthouse. Obviously, not a local from Spokane.Spokanites have too many local issues.You would think whoever it was would be smart enough to know. We would just have to pay to rebuild the place.I thank God nobody was hurt with the actions of a few idiots.
misjustice on April 08 at 9:56 a.m.
And leekinney posed other questions, could the bomb have been in response to a trial? A specific target?
It could even have been kids, goofing off; goodness knows they are not fully formed and sometimes do things without realizing the consequences of their actions…
At any rate, what started this thread was a set of questions…and those have not been discussed… instead tiny attacked leekinney for 1 of the questions he posed…and that was the thread that got followed…
So, anyone know of a trial that could have prompted this? A particular person that could have been the target?
misjustice on April 08 at 10:11 a.m.
And to the question about “free” speech. All speech may be considered “free” but not all speech is “protected.” Which is a big difference, one that many do not understand; probably because Civics is no longer taught in our schools and because nuance gets lost in an electronic age where news is confused with entertainment…
%75 percent of graduating high school seniors in Oklahoma do not know who was the first President of the USA…below is part of a news report ….
“They’re questions taken from the actual exam that you have to take to become a U.S. citizen,” Dutcher said.
A thousand students were surveyed by telephone and given 10 questions drawn from the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services item bank. Candidates for U.S. citizenship must answer six questions correctly in order to become citizens.
About 92 percent of the people who take the citizenship test pass on their first try, according to immigration service data. However, Oklahoma students did not fare as well. Only about 3 percent of the students surveyed would have passed the citizenship test.
Dutcher said this is not just a problem in Oklahoma. He said Arizona had similar results, which left him concerned for the entire country.
“Jefferson later said that a nation can’t expect to be ignorant and free,” Dutcher said. “It points to a real serious problem. We’re not going to remain ignorant and free.”
http://www.news9.com/global/story.asp?s=11141949
It’s little wonder that those that can’t answer basic civics questions also can not discern the difference between “free” speech and “protected” speech…
shanusmaximus on April 08 at 10:15 a.m.
@Misjustice
“At any rate, what started this thread was a set of questions…”
There is no point in answering them because it is all SPECULATIVE. They are not giving us ANY info and here you all are trying to fit something in that you have ZERO evidence for and trying to DAMN half of the population for it.
Besides I posed a few questions of my own to you, but you seem to be engaging in what I have said. You label someone or something racist with zero evidence and then you ignore. Which means you have NOTHING.
shanusmaximus on April 08 at 10:24 a.m.
@misjustice
“It’s little wonder that those that can’t answer basic civics questions also can not discern the difference between “free” speech and “protected” speech…”
Your link proved nothing nor even spoke about free speech. So just who the hell deems what “hate” speech is anyway? YOU? Don’t you realize if you engage in that sort of garbage that it can be turned on you in the future? Or do you only look at what is now?
Ron_the_Cop on April 08 at 10:31 a.m.
Misjustice,
Thx for bringing this thread back to the article. That was my point re Newsweek putting a spin on this when there is little to show a connection to a particular cause whether political or not.
There are many incidents throughout the Country on any given day. Many are the result of sick minds whether on the right or left or neither. I wouldn’t read much into this yet. Think charismatic groups led by David Koresch and the Branch Davidians or Jim Jones and the Jonestown Sect. Many have extreme religious and or political motivations. The line in the sand is when some yells “fire” in a crowded theater or advocates the violent overthrow of the government. It may surprise readers here I would defend the right of those that have protested at military funerals. Such speech can be regulated by time, place and manner e.g., separation from the grieving family by an appropriate distance.
I am concerned as I said above re notification of the other businesses in the immediate area. It not uncommon to have secondary devices that are triggered after the first one. Sometimes such actions are diversionary in nature in prep for some other criminal act in the works. Employees at other businesses will be the first to notice packages that are out of the place near or around their businesses. These are the questions I would be asking US Atty Jim McDevitt.
I have personal knowledge of this. Check this link out re the infamous botched Norco Bank Robbery. I was working that day and eventually arrived at this scene in response to the Riv Sheriff’s Office call for help. The scene was surreal as if from a war zone:
http://tinyurl.com/y93ctv2
This was done by a group of separatist survivalists. In this Country we value free speech no matter what political agenda is being advanced. Once we begin to condition free political speech we are destined to become subject to the rule of totalitarian governments that determine what politically correct/sanctioned speech is. The world of today is looking more and more like 1938 in Europe with the rise of Fascism and the Third Reich. Be careful. First they came for the Jews. Who will they come for next?
leekinny on April 08 at 10:34 a.m.
It seems many tea party people have a very liberal view of what doesn’t count as hate or incitement speech. I prefer a more conservative approach to what doesn’t count.
Whenever I see communism, socialism and fascism used interchangeably I see ignorance wrapped up with a heavy dose of gullibility.
It’s also interesting in that in their eyes disapproving and challenging someone’s speech is the same as denying free speech.
Nobody has erected free-speech zone cages like the last administration.
shanusmaximus on April 08 at 10:54 a.m.
@leekinny
“Nobody has erected free-speech zone cages like the last administration.”
The machinations are still there and the Dems engage in it as well. We have some serious elections coming up and you will see those “free-speech” zones again.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/08/04/hilden.freespeech/index.html
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2008/08/25/free-speech-zone-at-the-dnc/
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/07/24/obama-takes-his-disdain-for-free-speech-on-the-road/
misjustice on April 08 at 10:58 a.m.
I never said racist… shanus….I said hate baiting and violence…and I never said GOP, Republican’t, teagagger, or any other adjective to place blame on the “right”…
I merely provided content from other sources and other authors to counter the denial from many on this thread that “hate baiting and inciting of violence is occuring”… guess it’s just a bunch of good ‘ole boys pining away for the good ‘ole days havin’ a little fun with us all… shucks, guess people like me just can’t take a little funnin’…
And I’m sure that if some wing nut blows up a building in our area there will be those declaring it was what, freedom? It’s all fun and games ‘till someone gets their eye put out…
misjustice on April 08 at 11:04 a.m.
Dateline shanus on your first link….2004; the CHENEY administration…this doesn’t really prove your point.> it tends to support leekinney’s…
The constitutionality of police-imposed ‘free-speech zones’
By Julie Hilden, FindLaw Columnist
Special to CNN.com
Wednesday, August 4, 2004
www.cnn link dated 2004,,,,
misjustice on April 08 at 11:07 a.m.
A “Free Speech” Zone at the DNC
By: Lindsay Beyerstein Monday August 25, 2008 ; from the fdlaction link..
Again, shanus look at the dateline, again last daze of the CHENEY administration….
misjustice on April 08 at 11:11 a.m.
Obama takes his disdain for free speech on the road.
Posted on July 24, 2008 by garychapelhill
from the riverdaughter link…
Again, it’s a dateline thing…shanus; yup, still the CHENEY administration ya know, the ones that done brought us torture and black hole prisons, and pre-emptive strike doctrine, and revealing the cover of a CIA operative…yup, good times…
Another_Perspective on April 08 at 12:55 p.m.
so misjustice how did you get from an IUD at the courthouse to Obama to Cheney?
You possibly couldn’t have run out of foodstamps this early in the month.
In the words of Archie Bunker “Stifle”.
shanusmaximus on April 08 at 1:13 p.m.
@Misjustice
Cheney had nothing to do with DNC conventions. The DNC sets up the security with local police. Explain this then…
“Free speech zones have been employed by both Democrats and Republicans at past political conventions. This year, however, Democrats face the embarrassing possibility that they will be the only party actually caging dissenters. Protesters at the upcoming Democratic National Convention (DNC) in Denver in late August will be corralled into caged “free speech zones” made of chicken wire and chain link fences which are located more than two football fields from the delegates’ entrance. Those who attempt to exercise their First Amendment rights outside this makeshift cage, which is partially obscured by trees and sculptures, will be arrested. (Ironically, protesters at this year’s Republican National Convention will not face a cage or even policemen in riot gear.)”
http://coloradoindependent.com/4488/a-free-speech-graveyard-at-the-democratic-national-convention
“I never said racist… shanus….I said hate baiting and violence…and I never said GOP, Republican’t, teagagger, or any other adjective to place blame on the “right”…”
I never said you did. But you are eluding that “hate speech” is going to be the reason for this act. Which you haven’t shown any examples of that WHATSOEVER anyway. Well except some mom who has a MENTALLY ILL son, blaming Fox News like a moron. I see DISSENT SPEECH and I will post this again since I didn’t post the proper one…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJxmpTMGhU0
misjustice on April 08 at 3:39 p.m.
Umm, shanus, your boy anotherperspective just made the “free” speech argument by basically telling me to stiffle; which means shut up.
leekinny on April 08 at 4:07 p.m.
shanusmaximus….
You’re right, point taken. It’s always shameful and it’s always wrong. Another area of agreement between progressives and tea party people.
leekinny on April 08 at 4:15 p.m.
During Tea Party protests, at numerous places, there were ………
many large posters displaying our President as an African warrior;
many posters displaying Hitler mustaches and swastikas;
many posters denying the citizenship of our president;
many posters attacking the Christianity of our president;
many posters claiming our president is the anti-christ;
many posters claiming our president is racist;
many posters attacking the Muslim faith;
many posters expressing the lie, ‘that he will take your guns’;
many posters displaying communist symbolism;
many posters displaying the ‘N’ word;
many posters displaying racial prejudice;
many posters using violent rhetoric;
many posters calling for blood watered trees;
violent rhetoric aimed at Democrats by Conservatives;
violent rhetoric aimed at liberals by Conservatives;
violent rhetoric aimed at uncooperative Republicans by Conservatives;
violent rhetoric aimed at anyone not deemed conservative enough by Conservatives;
violent rhetoric towards anyone who’s not a literalist on the Constitution;
violent rhetoric towards anyone who is not a literalist on free enterprise;
violent rhetoric towards anyone who is not a literalist on biblical interpretation;
violent rhetoric towards anyone who is not a literalist on end times speculation;
violent rhetoric towards anyone who expresses solidarity with minorities;
violent rhetoric towards anyone who expresses solidarity with labor;
violent rhetoric towards anyone who expresses responsibility towards the poor;
violent rhetoric towards anyone who expresses love for neighbor or enemy;
throwing money in an irate tirade at the disabled;
shouting the ‘N’ word at heroes of the civil rights movement;
spitting on heroes of the civil rights movement;
etc. etc. etc……..
leekinny on April 08 at 4:45 p.m.
We find it difficult to relate to you because of the large number of untruths you all are willing to allow to be shoved down your throats. Some examples from the bad old Bush days to now…….
True political correctness exist within the ‘you’re either with us or against us’ right wing of the conservative end of the Republican Party. Qualifications matter little to this group compared to strict party loyalty down to accepting every single party principle of the moment. It is not possible to say something is, for example, truly blue when party loyalty demands it to be red.
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Just a few of the many examples…
Al Qaeda was in Iraq.
Iraq had weapons of mass destruction
Iraq was a danger to the U.S.
Iraq would cause mushrooms clouds to be on our shores
Iraq snuck out all its weapons
Iraq wouldn’t let in the weapons inspectors
Women are freer in Iraq now
Women are freer in Afghanistan now
The press only shows the bad in the war
Reagan ended the Cold War
God is on our side
We are a Christian nation
Bush is right
To criticize Bush is un-American
To criticize Cheney is un-American
To criticize Rove is un-American
To criticize Rumsfeld was/is un-American
To criticize Rice is un-American
To criticize Gonzales is un-American
To criticize any of them is un-American
Rush is always right
Savage is always right
Hannity is always right
Beck is always right
Fox and Friends is always right
Fox is always right
The far right is always right
The Second Amendment is about private gun ownership
Taxes are always bad
Government is always bad
White people are discriminated against
White men are discriminated against
Anything good in this world came from white men
Evolution is wrong
Science can’t be trusted
Global warming is a myth
Global warming is natural
Global warming is caused by the sun
Liberals/Environmentalists/Feminists/homeless/human rights defenders/etc…. hate America
Liberals/Environmentalists/Feminists/homeless/human rights defenders/etc…. hate God
Liberals/Environmentalists/Feminists/homeless/human rights defenders/etc…. are Nazis
Liberals/Environmentalists/Feminists/homeless/human rights defenders/etc…. are Communists
Liberals/Environmentalists/Feminists/homeless/human rights defenders/etc….are evil
Liberals/Environmentalists/Feminists/homeless/human rights defenders/etc….are less than human
President Obama is a Muslim
President Obama is a terrorist
President Obama was not born here
President Obama is a socialist
President Obama is a communist
President Obama is a fascist
President Obama is a racist
President Obama hates America
President Obama hates white people
President Obama is destroying America
That socialism, communism and fascism are the same thing
That there is no racism or prejudice among teabaggers
That Democrats are the racist ones
That the flood of Southern conservatives to the GOP had nothing to do with civil rights
That the health bill funds abortion
That the health bill includes illegal aliens
That the health bill is about government take over of health services
That the health bill contains death panels
That insurance company profits are reasonable
President Obama wants to indoctrinate our children
President Obama wants to form an army of ‘brown shirts’ from our children
That census workers are evil
That census workers are using GPS to identify Republicans and Christians for the benefit of a United Nation army
bizarre… bizarre… bizarre…
Etc…etc…etc.
The far right big conservative mucky mucks must be amazed that every lie and distortion they fling against the wall sticks. They must be overcome with giddiness, and contempt for their malleable base that is so easy to fool.
shanusmaximus on April 08 at 4:47 p.m.
@Misjustices
“Umm, shanus, your boy anotherperspective just made the “free” speech argument by basically telling me to stiffle; which means shut up.”
Excuse me? My “boy”? I don’t know who anotherperspective is. I have never even had ANY discussion with him. He is not “my boy” (w/e that means). But from what I have seen thus far I think he can formulate and communicate his own opinions just fine, thank you very much.
@Leekinny
“Another area of agreement between progressives and tea party people.”
We are all Americans and whether you are lib or conserv, don’t you think there are many things that we can all agree on that need to be protected? Things that make us Americans? Individual liberty, free speech, free press, the right to petition and protest our government? Protection from unlawful search and seizure? No taxation without representation? etc.
leekinny on April 08 at 5:05 p.m.
shanusmaximus…..
We are all Americans and whether you are lib or conserv, don’t you think there are many things that we can all agree on that need to be protected? Things that make us Americans? Individual liberty, free speech, free press, the right to petition and protest our government? Protection from unlawful search and seizure? No taxation without representation? etc.
Those things aren’t in danger now!!! You are being led to believe these things are in danger. Because, fear is a great motivating force being used by those corporate interests, who would like to see as many people vote against their own best interest, as possible.
We get so frustrated because we see you guys being used, but you can’t see it.
leekinny on April 08 at 5:15 p.m.
Excuse me unlawful search, started under Bush, is another one of those programs Obama should get rid of, but, is instead hanging on to. He has been a disappointment on many levels for progressives. If many of us could pull him farther to the left we would. He really does listen to conservatives; and it’s damn annoying to us.
Much work to be done.
shanusmaximus on April 08 at 6:20 p.m.
@leekinny
“Those things aren’t in danger now!!! You are being led to believe these things are in danger.”
Wow. Are you serious? Because then you go on to say…
“Excuse me unlawful search, started under Bush, is another one of those programs Obama should get rid of, but, is instead hanging on to. He has been a disappointment on many levels for progressives.”
lol, then you say…
“We get so frustrated because we see you guys being used, but you can’t see it.”
Just who is being used?
You see…one half of the population is supposed to put it’s head up it’s own arse when “their” guy is in charge. For some reason, we can’t all have our heads out of our arses simultaneously. And as long as you believe in this B.S. game that is being played on all of us, heads will continue to be up arses.
Obama Bush Similarities
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/13/wall.bush-obama/index.html
Oh and this little gem….Obama Orders Assassination of U.S. Citizen.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/apr2010/pers-a08.shtml
The Whitehouse NEVER considered the act of the Ft. Hood shooting terrorism, nor have they EVER consider Maj. Hasan a terrorist himself. Yet, this cleric is considered one himself with ZERO proof and is a verifiable U.S. citizen? Maj. Hasan is a U.S. citizen, actually shot people and he does not get ANY terrorist distinction? WTH? I smell a RAT and I smell a very scary precedent.
I would say those freedoms and security are being taken away leekinnys.
misjustice on April 08 at 6:24 p.m.
Bless you leekinny; warrior for truth, justice, and the American way!
shanusmaximus on April 08 at 6:31 p.m.
^
If your American way means assassinating American citizens, then you can have it.
misjustice on April 08 at 6:56 p.m.
YOUR Americans are the ones getting arrested for threatening the lives of elected officials…and for building IEDs, and for forming militas intent on launching jihad against the government…
shanusmaximus on April 08 at 7:15 p.m.
^
My Americans? Are you not American?
Ron_the_Cop on April 08 at 8:26 p.m.
Misjustice,
To be fair there are plenty of misguided and mentally challenged folks that will do bad things in the name of a cause. I don’t think you can brand those of the tea party movement nor Republicans responsible for violent acts. My experience tells me there are a fair number of folks on the left and Democrats that do bad things to.
leekinny on April 09 at 12:10 a.m.
Anger over health-care reform spurs rise in threats against Congress members http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/08/AR2010040805476.html?hpid=topnews
misjustice on April 09 at 9:37 a.m.
Ron, I seriously do not recall former Democratic Vice Presidential Candidates (Lieberman, Edwards) inciting violence or using hate speech the way the former Republican’t VP candidate the Quitter on Twitter has…’nuf said..
People in leadership positions have a responsibility to use their power wisely, not as a means to foment hate.
And the money grubbers on Faux Noose are also guilty of inciting violence; the last time that I checked they carry the water for the GOP and the Teagaggers, not the Democratic Party. And the haters like Rush, drone on, dominating the radio air waves with their hate 24/7…it’s no wonder that people that have a tenuous hold on reality (at best) can be whipped up into a frenzy and encouraged to do the bidding of those that incite them…
shanusmaximus on April 09 at 5:31 p.m.
“And the money grubbers on Faux Noose are also guilty of inciting violence;”
Proof please. So we are back to it is free speech to blame? Even your allegations of “hate” speech are spurious at best. You may disagree with it, but to akin it to something like a KKK speech is laughable.
eagleproducer on April 11 at 10:05 a.m.
tinybob: You are the first windy wing nut I’ve encountered who used the truth rather than, mmmmm… compensation in their screen name. I’ll wager you have a big pickup or lots of guns though… The idea that the GOP will sweep into power this November is ridiculous and ignores the fact that less than a third of citizens consider themselves conservatives and that number will dwindle as the Jethros and Ellie Mays earn spots on ballots in closed primaries.
You are completely ignoring reality if you don’t believe a rise in hate speech/action has occurred during Obama’s first term. It actually began before he was elected and their is ample proof of Saracuda encouraging it on tape. Or don’t you remember the shouts of “kill him” at those late rallies in the South. I found it odd that they would even campaign in the South, a place the GOP has owned since they decided to use opposition to civil rights legislation as a means of regaining relevance in the region. But then I realized why: You and your ilk are running scared and you might as well get out of the way of the wave of citizens who are finally going to get our country to join the rest of the modern freakin’ world.
700 billionaires, 40 million living below poverty. Was that anyone’s idea of the American dream?
D Statler on April 11 at 8:59 p.m.
CUP OF TEA ANYBODY ? LOL These goofballs mean well, unfortunately, they tend to attract the worst elements of society as well as the best. Kinda like the radical muslims making all peace loving Muslims look bad. Pretty easy to see why we have bombs being left at the courthouse. WHACK-O’s !!!!
RUN FOR OFFICE,DO IT THE RIGHT WAY :^)
Gabriele on April 15 at 3:58 p.m.
Well, US. Attorney McDevitt once again did what he does best…. keep everything under wrap!!! Not disclosing any pertinent facts is his specialty!! Thats how he wins all his cases. Thats why I’m not surprised that he hid this incident for days from the public.