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August 28, 2010 in City
Sheriff offers condolences, withholds details in shooting
Valley pastor killed by deputy; no more information until Thursday
Spokane County Sheriff Ozzie Knezovich extended condolences Friday to the family of slain pastor Wayne Scott Creach and asked for the community to be patient as investigators determine why he was shot by a Spokane Valley police officer.
Knezovich said he wants to assure residents that a “full and complete” investigation will be performed and that all the details will eventually come out. However, he offered no new details and did not name the officer who shot the 74-year-old pastor.
“Two nights ago our community experienced a very unfortunate death that has impacted many lives,” Knezovich said. “None of these lives will ever be the same. I want to express to the family of Wayne Creach our sorrow for their loss.”
The Creach family issued a statement Friday, thanking the community for its prayers and support.
“We would also like to take this opportunity to say that while we are in shock and extreme grief, we know that the deputy who was involved in this tragedy is also dealing with his own personal issues,” wrote Ernie Creach, the pastor’s son. “We know he will carry the memory of Wednesday night and this tragedy with him for the rest of his life.”
Knezovich would not take questions about the investigation, which is being led by the Spokane Police Department as part of an agreement in which an outside agency investigates officer-involved shootings.. The Sheriff’s Office contracts with Spokane Valley to provide deputies as its police.
Spokane police Maj. Scott Stephens said one of the reasons more details have not come out is because investigators had not yet interviewed the officer who shot Creach. Stephens said he didn’t know if anybody else witnessed the shooting.
The shooting occurred after a neighbor requested extra patrols in the area of Creach’s greenhouse, the Plant Farm, 14208 E. Fourth Ave. Creach lived in a home next to the business.
The officer parked Wednesday night in the Plant Farm parking lot in an unmarked Ford Crown Victoria patrol car, which did not bear a Spokane Valley Police logo or overhead lights, officials said. It did have a side-mounted spotlight and numerous antennas, said Spokane police spokeswoman Officer Jennifer DeRuwe.
Apparently thinking the officer was a prowler, Creach approached. Officials have not said what happened next other than the officer shot Creach in the chest. Investigators did find a gun near Creach but did not elaborate. They have not said how many shots were fired or by whom.
“As soon as the facts are compiled, they will be released,” Knezovich said. “Until that time, I believe it is important that we not speculate as to what happened that night. We need to remember that the lives of all of those involved, including the deputy and his family, have been changed forever.”
Stephens said he did not expect any new information to be released about the case until Thursday.
Under each department’s protocols – negotiated with unions – officers are not interviewed by detectives for 48 hours following the shooting, Stephens said.
“There are all kinds of psychological (reasons) as why you don’t want to interview an officer after an officer-involved shooting prior to that 48-hour period,” Stephens said. The protocol is “based on recommendations by psychologists as best practices for police departments.”
When asked why regular citizens aren’t afforded that grace period, Stephens pointed out that residents have the right to withhold any statements to police if they wish.
“If we have probable cause to arrest somebody, that’s a different matter. But if they are a witness or a suspect and they choose not to talk to us … they can pretty much direct when they are going to talk to us,” Stephens said.
Similar to the 48-hour grace period, both the Sheriff’s Office and Police Department have policies to not release names of officers to the media until at least 72 hours after a shooting, Stephens said.
“That has been in effect for years because it gives the officer time to debrief with their family, to let them know, ‘I was the officer involved in this incident,’ so the family can get ready for all kinds of questions and comments and blogs,” he said. “That has nothing to do with the investigation.”
DeRuwe echoed Knezovich’s plea for patience. “I know there are a lot of unanswered questions, but we have to give detectives time to work,” she said. “I know at times people don’t have confidence in the Police Department or the Sheriff’s Office. But I can only stand up here and say, ‘Please have confidence.’ ”
Ernie Creach wrote of his father, who 40 years ago founded Greenacres Baptist Church: “Dad loved his family and the people of this community – he was a pastor, business owner, employer and friend,” Ernie Creach wrote. “His passing will leave a huge hole in the lives of many.”
Closing Geiger: Wise or worrisome? 
Scoutster on August 28 at 7:16 a.m.
Is it routine to do drug testing on officers involved in shootings immediately afterwards, including for steroids, etc?
I’m not accusing anyone of anything, I’m just wondering if anyone knows if this is part of the investigation.
lewis8457 on August 28 at 7:36 a.m.
no their union wont allow it.
skierdc1 on August 28 at 7:52 a.m.
More of the same crap coming from the police.
hammer1969 on August 28 at 8:23 a.m.
Wait for it…wait for it…Yep, more of the same crap from the malcontents.
liarsinnews on August 28 at 8:23 a.m.
Ozzie is waiting to hear back from Tucker but he is to busy at the 19th hole. Figures.
misjustice on August 28 at 8:23 a.m.
Thank you SR for the blue box at the top of the article [more comments] which allows readers to easily link to the previous thread on the same/continued story. It is a convenient way for readers, that are interested, to access that information.
Pat O'Leary on August 28 at 8:39 a.m.
The sheriff says it is important that we not speculate about what happened. The simplest way to stop that is by clearing the air with a few facts. It’s going to take a week for them to release any results? Absolutely absurd! Way too much time to be cooking up stories.
The police in this area have taught us to be very skeptical of their motives and the supposed “facts” that they belatedly release. Asst. Chief Nicks and the Otto Zehm surveillance tapes come to mind. He had the evidence right in front of his face and still lied about it. The problem about this death is there were apparently only two witnesses, and unfortunately, one of them is the deceased.
I certainly don’t want to assume that the police did anything wrong, but it is damned difficult to proclaim them innocent when we are intentionally kept in the dark for days on end.
lewis8457 on August 28 at 8:52 a.m.
The cop could issue a Garrity letter, The Garrity letter effectively shields officers from questioning by investigators.
This is what Dan Torok used when he shot and killed a transit several years ago. Cops can refuse to answer questions using this letter.
liarsinnews on August 28 at 9:10 a.m.
Remember the camera film the SPD erased regarding of the sexual encounter by a Spokane fire fighter in the Indian Trail Fire station? Destroying evidence and those that did it got a slap on the wrist and a sexual predator was let go and he committed the same crime in California a year or so later. I was told the pictures that were destroyed was of the fire fighter and the 16 year old girl he had sexual intercourse with, had a fire truck as a back drop that showed our city of “Spokane” on it.
Spokane_Citizen on August 28 at 9:21 a.m.
It is exceedingly unwise to attempt to stall the release of damaging information. Every day’s delay increases the appearance, and likelihood, that something very sinister happened.
gcontos on August 28 at 9:40 a.m.
Regarding the “Garrity” comment… A Police Officer can refuse to talk to investigators during the criminal investigation, just like any other citizen questioned by the police (per the US Constitution). However, refusal to answer questions in the administrative/internal investigation by the department to determine if policy issues were followed is grounds for being fired from the department.
Nugget on August 28 at 9:43 a.m.
Police cars have cameras mounted in them. Let’s hope the unmarked car had his camera rolling & it shows all you naysayer/police bashing people eating crow!
Ridiculous to think that’s all Law Enforcement are out there to do, shoot & kill innocent people.
GaryP on August 28 at 9:49 a.m.
Pat Oleary- everyone is in “the dark” for days until the investigation is peaced together. Since only two people were there and one is dead, it takes time to paint a picture as to what happened. That is why a body is not moved for several hours. It is so every detail can be recorded to find out what took place.
Sadbuttrue on August 28 at 9:58 a.m.
If there was a camera rolling in the police car, don’t be surprised if it turns out to have been “malfunctioning.” It is amazing how often police video “malfunctions” whenever the police are involved in misconduct. The police must buy their special video cameras from a top secret facility that produces only extremely unreliable video cameras, for police use only. That are so unreliable and undependable that they “malfunction” way more often than the cheapest cellphones and dollar-store cameras.
If fact, there is a national scandal created by another, brand new, previously-unknown way for police video cameras to “malfunction.” The police in another area recently went into an unhinged, deranged fit of rage and attacked and beat a guy senseless for the crime of talking on his cellphone on the sidewalk. The police camera filming the incident “automatically” panned away from the beating when it started, making much of the detail disappear and then panned back in as soon as the beating was over! The police attributed this amazing feat to the video “malfunctioning.”
de3 on August 28 at 10:09 a.m.
“If we have probable cause to arrest somebody, that’s a different matter. But if they are a witness or a suspect and they choose not to talk to us … they can pretty much direct when they are going to talk to us,”
… I imagine they would arrest a public citizen that is a party to a possible crime, if they refuse to talk.
Citizens who are arrested almost immediately have their names blabbed out in the media and are not given 48 to 72 hours to “debrief with their family, to let them know, ‘I was … involved in this incident,’ so the family can get ready for all kinds of questions and comments and blogs”
Many of those citizens are subsequently not charged and released, or even declared innocent at trial. Even a witness to a crime ends up with a record in the police department’s archive.
This sort of double standard (please read the US Attorney’s complaint about alleged department wide coverup in the alleged murder of Otto Zehm) does not wash with the public and destroys the credibility the Sheriff is trying to build in the investigation.
Pat O'Leary on August 28 at 10:58 a.m.
Gary P
Yes, it takes time to paint a picture but who is painting that picture and will it truly reflect what happened? That’s my point. This was either justifiable homicide or it wasn’t. I don’t see a whole lot of room for nuance. The victim was investigating a prowler and then he is dead. Why?
zelda on August 28 at 11:09 a.m.
Just wondering when the clock actually started on the 48-hour period. If the shooting occurred at 10 p.m. Wednesday, the officer presumably was interviewed late last night. Or will they let the weekend elapse and he will be interviewed on Monday? Maybe I’m splitting hairs but the longer the interval between the incident and the interview, the less reliable the memories. I understand the need to give the officers some time to compose themselves, but 48 hours seems overly long.
lewis8457 on August 28 at 11:24 a.m.
Greg concerning the garrity letter, chief Kirkpatrick told Dan Torok to take the garrity letter so he didn’t have to talk to investigators over the killing of a transit. Dan Torok is still employed by the Spokane police department, so i am sorry to inform you a cop will not be fired if he uses the garrity letter, at least not in Spokane.
lewis8457 on August 28 at 12:01 p.m.
here is a good article while we wait for answers
http://www.inlander.com/spokane/article-15270-strong-arm-of-the-law.html
PlanB on August 28 at 12:45 p.m.
The longer the wait for the interview, the more likely that errors will occur in recalling the event.
48 hours - what a joke. It’s a deliberate attempt to obfuscate the information.
v1grwil on August 28 at 1:33 p.m.
Dear Review: What happened to the investigative reporters? You used to be something, I know the kids aren’t like the dad was but where is “Wild Bill Morlin” when we need him. You get to bury a story of a cop killing of a man with mental illness, but Scott Creach was a solid busness man and preacher. What would happen if Scott was black then look out. Why don’t you have reporters digging for details on the cop who shot our friend and citizen. There is an unmarked cop car cop living over next to me in Millwood. I go by there every day. No news cars, no reporters. What happened to freedom of the press?
lucs on August 28 at 3:28 p.m.
Here’s a great question: does anyone out there really think it would have turned out any differently had Creach gone outside with a bible in his hand. I really don’t.
zelda on August 28 at 4:20 p.m.
This is a bit off-topic, but what happens to old police cruisers when they’re put out of service? There was a dark blue Chevrolet Crown Vic w/black-wall tires driving slowly through my Valley neighborhood the other day. It had Idaho plates, so I figured it might be a former cop car that someone bought at a fleet-car auction. Even so, until I saw the plates I thought it was an unmarked police car. I guess there’s the possibility that an Idaho cop was in Spokane County looking for someone/something. Dunno.
My point is that unmarked police cars may not be as easy to spot as some people think if out-of-service vehicles are routinely sold at used-car auctions.
GaryP on August 28 at 4:22 p.m.
Oleary-no room for nuance? Either it was justifiable homicide or not? You make it sound like a candy bar is missing. This is a big deal. People complain about thouroughness and then want answers this second. Creach’s son said his dad went to “challenge the vehicle with a gun”. That could mean a lot. If the gun was in his waistband and he said”who are you” and was shot is different than if he pointed the gun at the officer first and asked questions later. Where was the gun on Creach when he was found? How far away from the police car? Etc. Etc. I want everything completed so an informed statement is given based on facts of the investigation. Not speculation.
westerly on August 28 at 6:17 p.m.
Wonder if the cop is going to get a polygraph??? Nahhhhh…
bszottlinger on August 28 at 8:34 p.m.
Lewis:
Just to set the record straight. In the Torok case Chief Kirkpatrick issued a “Garrity Letter” to Torok while the Sheriff’s Office was still investigating the shooting and had not yet interviewed Torok. A “Garrity Letter”, or “Garrity Warning”, as they are often called is presented to the involved officer before an Administrative Interview (Internal Affairs Interview). The letter to the officer from the Chief of Police tells the officer that he/she is required to answer questions in an IA interview and will be immunized from criminal prosecution. It also warns that failure to answer questions or cooperated in the IA Investigation will make the officer subject to discipline up to termination (getting fired). Different jurisdictions use different terms for the Garrity Warning. However, they are all primarily the same.
In the Torok, case the issuance of the Garrity Warning/Letter to Torok before the SCSO’s criminal investigative interview was a screw up on Kirkpatrick’s part and never should have happened.
During the criminal investigation, an Officer if he/she so chooses may invoke their Fifth Amendment right to remain silent, just like any other citizen. An Officer taking the fifth in a criminal officer involved incident happens quite often through out the US. If the officer refuses to provide a statement after standing on his/her constitutional right the criminal investigation continues without the officer’s statement. Once the criminal investigation is complete, and sometimes that can take several weeks and even months depending on the situation, it is reviewed by the prosecuting authority in this case the Spokane County Prosecutor (In some jurisdictions the results of the criminal investigation are put to a Grand Jury). In Spokane the prosecutor then makes a determination if probable cause exists to charge the officer. If the prosecutor finds that there is insufficient evidence to charge the officer with a crime, then and only then should the Administrative Investigation (IA) be initiated. During the IA investigation and before the IA interview the “Garrity Warning” is given to the officer. The officer at that point has a choice “Talk Straight, Walk, or Lie ”. Without getting into detail, the Garrity Warning provides the officer with immunity from certain prosecutions. The Garrity Warning of course does not allow the officer to lie in the interview and depending on the circumstances, the officer, as in the Zehm case, can be charged with a federal civil rights violation.
In the Torok, case the prosecutor found that there was no basis for a criminal charge, and apparently, the IA investigation found nothing to fire him for.
You might want to look at this.
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2010/aug/28/editorial-delaying-information-on-tragedy-ill/
Bad Szottlinger
lewis8457 on August 28 at 10:56 p.m.
Spokane’s police chief is so confident that one of her officers acted appropriately in Saturday’s fatal shooting of a man that she ordered the officer to issue a rarely used statement to investigators rather than submit to standard questioning,, she said Wednesday.
Chief Anne Kirkpatrick said she ordered Sgt. Dan Torok to issue a statement about his actions; if he had refused, he could have been fired, she said. The contents of the statement, however, can’t be used against the officer in a criminal investigation.
On Wednesday, after the sheriff’s office declined to take Torok’s Garrity statement, spokesman Sgt. Dave Reagan sent out an update that said: “Sgt. Torok has elected to not provide a voluntary interview regarding Saturday’s shooting.
thank you for the info brad
bszottlinger on August 28 at 10:56 p.m.
Westerly:
It gets somewhat complicated but pursuant to the Federal Employee Polygraph Protection Act, employers cannot force their employees, including cops, to take a polygraph test as a condition of continued employment. In Washington State it is against the law for any employer to require an employee to take a polygraph as a condition of continued employment,
Police officers can be required to take a pre-employment polygraph test only.
As a point of interest the NYPD does not require pre-employment polygraph testing, nor do a number of other NY law enforcement agencies, and boy do they get some dandies!
Brad
bszottlinger on August 28 at 11:03 p.m.
Lewis:
There is another story later where Kirkpatrick says it was all a big misunderstanding, and the Sheriff rather lets her off the hook. The fact of the matter is she screwed up.
Brad
bszottlinger on August 29 at 12:11 a.m.
Scoutster:
Please understand that I have no knowledge and seriously doubt that the following took place in the Creach case and I am only offering it for illustrative purposes.
The question of “Roid Rage” has come up recently in a number of law enforcement Criminal and IA Investigations. To obtain evidence of drug use by the officer in an officer involved critical incident it would be necessary to develop probable cause to obtain a search warrant for blood and hair samples from the officer.
Establishing whether or not drug usage may be a factor is the responsibility of the criminal investigators. If the investigators, during the course of their investigation through interviews with witnesses, other officers, previous history of drug usage (don’t laugh), etc can establish that there is probable cause to obtain a search warrant then it must be executed as soon as possible after the incident and prior to the interview of the officer. “Roid Rage” is often times overlooked by investigators but in most cases, there is no evidence to support a suspicion that “Roid Rage was a factor. The problem is many times people, as you have; often question whether it was a factor. The investigators in today’s society must be aware that drug usage by either party could be a factor and if evidence pops up it should be pursued.
I am probably the only one here that is not concerned about the 48-hour issue. I feel 48 hours is too short of a time for the investigator to properly prepare for an interview with the officer. The results of the forensic evidence will not be back which would help the investigators to know exactly how and what to ask the officer in the interview. The investigators would need time to actually study the witness and other officer’s statements and then compare those to what was found at the scene and in most cases follow-up with even more questions from those people. They should study the scene photos and diagrams, and on and on. Keep in mind we are only talking about 14 hours work time per day max. The investigators need some rest sometime in that 48-hour period. I would just as soon they took their time and did it right so we do not end up with another Zehm fiasco.
Brad
lewis8457 on August 29 at 10:36 a.m.
Brad thank you for the information, we ended up with the Otto fiasco because they knew they screwed up and tried to cover it up. I am sure that is why it s taking longer this time they learned a few things over the Otto fiasco about leaks.
I don’t know I didn’t even know the man but I am upset his family is burying him Monday and they don’t even know why he was killed. Does that seem reasonable?
All the info you give is great but we are in Spokane. None of that applies here. The police run this town and the mayor so regular procedure means nothing. Laws mean nothing to them.
The fact they have nothing to say speaks volumes. Something major went wrong and they know it, If they knew from video or voice that Scott threatened the officer they would have told us, but since they haven’t said a word????????
Isn’t it odd how every news channel and the SR have basically dropped this story? It is now on the 3rd page or so. Where are the interviews with the neighbors where is the pictures? Where is the civic anger? I think if the media bumped it up a bit the cops would have to answer a few questions.
where are the reporters now days, who knows maybe the neighbors know this cop maybe Scott has had problems with him where is the damn news? Their only source is the cops?
But so far it is just me malcontents that see an issue. Honestly if this happened to my dad and they made me wait this long I would call the Feds.
My heart goes out to the family in this matter and I hope and pray they get some truthful answers as to why.
v1grwil on August 29 at 12:14 p.m.
Thank you Brad your information it was very good in this situation. Unlike Lewis I knew Scott Creach, just business only, but you still get to know a man. Every morning I listened to his gardening tips. It is such a huge loss. Just like Lewis I know Spokane. We have had crooked cops for years. This whole weekend, the Creach’s are devastated, their employees are devastated, plus they don’t have jobs for their families, they don’t get “paid admin leave”, this rogue cop kills a man, destroys family, friends, customers, the valley and we here NOTHING. Remember Ozzie saying we’ll interview him Friday night or Saturday morning. What BS. Ozzie’s election is this year but he is the only guy I trusted,now I don’t know what to do. And now we have that SPD ‘chief’ who can’t wait to get out of Spokane! I feel so personally betrayed, who do we trust driving around in these police cars. And I can’t express how deeply saddened I am for the Creach’s. I am a firm believer in karma. My God bless all those suffering this weekend.
bszottlinger on August 29 at 1:52 p.m.
Lewis:
Vigrwil:
I want to be clear about my position. I am very, very pro law enforcement. I do however have complete distain for cover-ups, lies, and ineptness on the part of law enforcement. I have also seen it all before. I have been lied to by local, state, and federal law enforcement officials but not nearly with the frequency, I have been lied to by John Q.
No matter what the final decision is in this case, someone will be critical The Sheriff knows that, the Police Chief knows that, and so does the Officer and his/her family. There is nothing the Sheriff or the Chief can do about that. The only thing they can control is the way the investigation is handled.
Can you imagine the outcry if the public were to later find out that the same investigators involved in the Zehm case were also in some way involved in this case. I would think the Sheriff would demand that they are not involved right from the get-go.
All though things are not pretty here in Spokane County when it comes to some aspects of law enforcement, we are far better off than other parts of the country.
Brad
lucs on August 29 at 1:53 p.m.
The fact, as observed, that this story is already in the dustbin tells us everything we need to know about how it will be resolved.
It will go nowhere. The family might get offered some money….that’ll be it though.
Move on, nothing to see here.
Ron_the_Cop on August 29 at 1:55 p.m.
Brad,
The “48 hours” police/procedure needs to be changed along the lines we discussed in the other thread.
bszottlinger on August 29 at 2:36 p.m.
Ron_the_Cop:
You would know far more about this than I would. But I would think a police shooting is far different then a murder were the shooter is immediately identified and represents a flight risk or danger to remain at large. Then you would have to hurry and develop as much initial evidence as possible to make the arrest and try to get a statement or confession. I also think in that case you likely would only have one shot at getting a confession before the suspect lawyers up. Then you continue the investigation.
My understanding of the 48-hour rule is that because the officer is stressed he/she needs to get it together so they can provide an accurate account as to what happened. Sure it gives someone time to develop a story but being the cynic I am, I can not see how 48-hours provides an investigator with enough facts to properly conduct an interview with the officer. I know that the 48 hours is a national standard established after various studies by those all knowing shrinks. My position is if the investigator has all the available facts at hand, they can skillfully cut through the crap. During the ones, I have sat in on, admittedly well after the fact, the law enforcement agents were very well prepared and when the BS started flying, they were able to set the trap.
Another thing I do not understand is why the prosecutor does not want to be involved and relies only on the law enforcement reports.
As evidenced in the Zehm case law enforcement reports many times don’t reflect the entire truth, so if you are supposed to be making an independent decision how can you claim it was independent when you only have one view.
Brad
bripple37 on August 29 at 9:34 p.m.
Most of these badged-up bullies are just itching to “see some action”. Even if Creach did approach the car with a gun in hand ( and if he didn’t, I’m sure one would have been provided)no cop should just draw and blast. I will be shocked if the “investigation” shows anything but ill-advised moves by Pastor Creach, and it will be all his fault. You can bet that this will be the story. At best, this will simply be blown off as an “unfortunate and tragic accident”…..
Oh well!
jwc928 on August 30 at 8:33 p.m.
Most of the commentators do not know what happened, but surmise because of PAST episodes. I wouldn’t want any of the THINKERS on a jury if I was accused of jaywalking.
Sadbuttrue on August 31 at 8:03 a.m.
jwc928
Surely you have seen some of the truly massive collection of amateur videos on the internet that demonstrate pervasive and unhinged police brutality? If there was only one or two videos, you could honestly dismiss them as aberrations. But when there are literally THOUSANDS of bad cop videos, one can only rationally conclude that these so-called “PAST episodes” are a matter of practice and procedure and training.
Jaywalkers do not receive specialized training and do not belong to a profession that is expected to discipline and control its members in the service of the public. Your attempted analogy between jaywalkers and the police therefore fails. That you think the police should only be held to the same standard as a jaywalker is revealing.
bszottlinger on August 31 at 7:23 p.m.
jwc928:
I think you are right. If I got a jaywalking ticket, I would not want any THINKERS on my jury either…just JAYWALKERS.
Brad
jwc928 on August 31 at 7:59 p.m.
Perhaps we should fire ALL the police in the City, County and Valley and have all these brilliant bloggers volunteer to put their lives on the line and finally make this a safer place to live. Average people don’t know what happened but apparently the writers here do, but have never had to make that SPLIT second decision. Words, motions, actions can change a scenario that we haven’t been witness to, but still can draw a conclusion from PAST happenings! If you were cursed with having taken another human life, 48 hours would seem like a very short time.
D Statler on August 31 at 9:01 p.m.
GIVE ME A BREAK 928, How do you think our kids in the military handle it? I am starting to believe that we would be better off firing all the cops and putting the uniforms on the inmates at the county jail. Atleast then,we would truly know that we were not safe with cops once and for all. I voted for myself for Sheriff. The only qualifications I have is common sense and a good heart.I and the inmate force could easily do better and cost the taxpayers far less money. Maybe even put a end to the desire to build a new trbute to OZZIE! ( a new JAIL) You can try to defend the actions of these officers or bury the victims in the back pages.The truth will come forward eventually and we as taxpayers will get stuck holding the bag again.
jwc928 on September 01 at 9:18 p.m.
This is an ugly situation beyond a doubt. I’m not trying to defend anyone. Unless all the info is presented, I’m not going to try to be judge and jury. All the stuff I see written here has already decided where the guilt is and all we need now is the sentencing for the policeman involved.
Hopefully there is obvious evidence instead of he said she said type of stuff.