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May 20, 2010 in Nation/World
Obama, Calderon decry Arizona immigration law
U.S. president vows to help Mexico fight drug cartels
President Barack Obama stands with Mexico’s first lady Margarita Zavala at Wednesday’s State Dinner at the White House. About 200 guests attended the dinner held in honor of the Mexican president’s visit.
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WASHINGTON – The presidents of Mexico and the United States offered a united front during a state visit Wednesday – not just against brutal drug cartels but against Arizona and its tough new law that puts police on the front lines of immigration enforcement.
The joint rebuke left border-control advocates steaming, reflecting intense feelings that for years have stymied efforts to overhaul U.S. immigration laws.
“In the United States of America, no law-abiding person, be they an American citizen, a legal immigrant, or a visitor or tourist from Mexico, should (ever) be subject to suspicion simply because of what they look like,” Obama said at a Rose Garden news conference, with Mexican President Felipe Calderon at his side.
Calderon said that the Arizona law opens his countrymen, whether in the U.S. legally or not, to harassment and discrimination. Supporters of the law dispute that.
The law makes it a crime to be in the United States without permission and requires police to investigate the immigration status of anyone they suspect of being in the country illegally. Calderon asserted that it was created “so that people who work and provide things to this nation will be treated as criminals.”
Mexico is hoping the White House will go to federal court to prevent enforcement, and Obama said he is awaiting a Justice Department review before deciding whether to try.
The Arizona controversy is intertwined with border security policy and a lingering debate over immigration reform. This year’s volatile electorate has made it hard to see a breakthrough in that area, which has eluded Congress for years.
Obama vowed to work with the Mexican government to create jobs and fight drug cartels, and to “ensure that our common border is secure, modern and efficient, including immigration that is orderly and safe.” And he agreed that Americans should expect tighter border enforcement. But in the meantime, he said, a response like Arizona’s is “a misdirected expression of frustration over our broken immigration system.”
Despite public perceptions, he stressed, “illegal immigration is down, not up.”
Arizona’s governor, Jan Brewer, a Republican, did not respond to requests for comment on the presidents’ remarks.
Sen. John Cornyn, a Texas Republican, accused Obama of meddling, given that state law “is not within his purview.” He also felt Calderon was out of line by coming to the White House and airing such complaints, which are widespread in Mexico.
“I just think it’s inappropriate to be a visitor in the United States or to another country and to go in and criticize the domestic laws of that country,” he said.
More than 23,000 people have been killed since Calderon ordered soldiers to Ciudad Juarez and other cities more than three years ago to disrupt the drug cartels. Cornyn said the ongoing violence “has made it harder” for Congress to tackle immigration reform, but he also blamed Obama for showing “insufficient commitment” to securing the border and failing to invest much effort into immigration reform despite campaign promises to enact reform within a year.
“It hasn’t been a priority for him,” Cornyn said.
Democratic National Committee Chairman Tim Kaine, speaking at the National Press Club, defended Obama, saying that along with energy policy, immigration is one of two “huge issues that are occupying significant amounts of the president’s time.”
The immigration debate hovered over the visit and even made an unexpected – and heart-wrenching – appearance when first ladies Michelle Obama and Margarita Zavala visited a school just outside Washington to discuss childhood obesity.
“My mom … says that Barack Obama is taking everybody away that doesn’t has papers,” an unidentified second-grader told them, adding quietly: “My mom doesn’t have papers.”
“We have to work on that. We have to fix that,” Michelle Obama told the girl.
In the Rose Garden, President Obama said immigration reform isn’t entirely up to him and fellow Democrats: “I don’t have 60 votes in the Senate. I’ve got to have some support from Republicans.”
He wants a combination of heightened border security and a crackdown on employers who hire undocumented workers. Anyone in this country illegally would have to pay back taxes and fines, he said, learn English and “get to the back of the line” for permission to live in the United States or become citizens.
Stocks plummet as outlook in Europe dims 
spokanecougar on May 20 at 12:51 a.m.
They should it is a racist law.
oneanddone on May 20 at 5:38 a.m.
Another libdem who hasn’t read the bill. Why deal with the truth when lies and innuendo do the job. And the truth is this country can’t afford to put 12 million hispanics on the dole.
tinybobidaho on May 20 at 7:48 a.m.
You would think any President would have more knowledge about the laws of his own country than Obama seems to. But then, he’s been making a career out sticking his foot in his mouth and looking stupid in the process. It’s already a federal law to be in this country illegally, as well as being against the law to work here illegally. Obama is trying to get the public to think Arizona designed a brand new law, when in fact it mirrors the federal laws already on the books. And our immigration system is not “broken”, the will of our government to enforce our laws is broken. We already allow almost 3 million people to come to this country legally every year, so apparently our immigration system is moving right along. But both Obama and Calderon want an open border so the illegal aliens can openly cross in an “orderly” manner, and neither of them seem to care that there are criminals in those crossings.
And again, Obama is lying! Illegal crossings are not down like he says, and the border is NOT secure. If the border was secure, Arizona wouldn’t still be having over 1000 illegal crossing a day. Jan Brewer says that 87% of these crossers have criminal records, so who is Obama sticking up for. Criminals? Maybe the workers are not coming in as high numbers, but the crossings are still up with criminals crossing. I have that on good authority from someone who works with border patrol down there and the border patrol are very uneasy with this. They are threatened by these illegal aliens on a daily basis, and in some instances are physically forcing their way across.
Obama needs to wake up and start protecting this country and it’s citizens, instead of going out on a campaign to try to demoralize our law enforcement for doing their job.
As for Calderon, he needs to go home and shut up, and keep his nose out of our business. If he wants us to treat his “migrants” with respect, then he needs to stop encouraging them to break our laws by coming here illegally. He has no right any more than Obama does to ask this country to go lawless and stop enforcing laws that were passed by Congress and signed by our President.
leekinny on May 20 at 8:02 a.m.
We’re not the old Soviet Union. This law will never take effect because it is unconstitutional. Even the current activist conservative Supreme Court will rule against this law.
Bring them into citizen ship in a manner that’s just. We need to have strict, consistent punishment for all those who hire these people with the intent of misusing them for their own benefit. Strong penalties need to be given for all those who pay substandard wages.
Any corporation that moves south of the border must pay livable wages and conform to rational environmental controls or risk a high tariff or lose the ability to trade with the United States.
We must realize US involvement in many of the economic and political hardships suffered by others who share the Americas. We have a moral duty to work to make things right and that doesn’t begin with exploitation.
Arizona’s Immigration Bill is a Social and Racial Sin
by Jim Wallis http://blog.sojo.net/2010/04/21/arizonas-immigration-bill-is-a-social-and-racial-sin/
BigE on May 20 at 8:29 a.m.
Let’s revisit the word illegal : don’t do it, it’s wrong.
Our new meaning of illegal: do it and don’t worry about the consequences, take your pick, we have choices in this country.
This I agree with, will it be accomplished in in my life, doubtful.
Anyone in this country illegally would have to pay back taxes and fines, learn English and “get to the back of the line” for permission to live in the United States or become citizens.
Support the troops, we all know someone in the armed services.
tinybobidaho on May 20 at 8:29 a.m.
leekinny on May 20 at 8:02 a.m.
We’re not the old Soviet Union. This law will never take effect because it is unconstitutional. Even the current activist conservative Supreme Court will rule against this law.
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What part of “it’s already a federal law” don’t you understand? If I was you, I wouldn’t get my hopes up about this Arizona bill getting booted by the courts. This bill was written by experts in constitutional law, and the only racism and discrimination in it is in the imagination amd ignorance of people who haven’t read the bill.
I hate to bust your bubble, but all of Arizona’s previous immigration bills have withheld under the scrutiny of the 9th Circuit of Appeals, one of the most liberal courts in the nation. And believe me, they have had lawsuits brought against them by all the pro amnesty groups and liberal loons in the country.
By your comments here, you are part of the problem, not the solution, and thankfully you’re in the minority in your thinking. Sixty percent of Americans nationwide agree with the Arizona bill, in fact Idaho is talking about replicating their bill this year, so whine on.
leekinny on May 20 at 8:58 a.m.
BIGE said……
Anyone in this country illegally would have to pay back taxes and fines, learn English and “get to the back of the line” for permission to live in the United States or become citizens.
Most reasonable people agree that or some version very close to it will be the way to go about it. And secure the border….finally.
These people our not from the far flung reaches of the world, they are, especially from Mexico, our neighbors who share history with us. They are a part of the New World family, an ingredient of who we are. Their poverty and status has been used against them, as it was in the past for other immigrant groups deemed unacceptable, for the benefit of unprincipled business interests for many generations now.
It is immoral to use people then throw them away when they become inconvenient.
leekinny on May 20 at 9:01 a.m.
Civil rights, as protected under the Constitution, are not subject to majority rule.
SugarShane on May 20 at 9:17 a.m.
Funny how you people keep complaining about illegal immigration and yet our drug laws fuel the violence associated with it. We feel the right to criminalize a PLANT that God condones and mankind has used for 5000 years. Get a clue and wake up. The two wars cost 5 billion a week and your not up in arms about that. The US has the right to stick its nose in every countries business in the world in the interest of “national security” which is a disguise for “protecting our profits”, but if the President of Mexico says something about a racist law then he is out of line? You Repubs are really out of touch with the rest of the world and possibly humanity. And fbhkymom, in the words of your own party, if you dont like it, the borders are easy to cross. I hope you choke on that seething anger, it seemed ok for the rest of us while Bush was in charge.
Ninch on May 20 at 9:35 a.m.
No civil rights are being violated except those persons injured and murdered by illegals. Such an argument is a “straw man” and not based on facts but rather hype. My question is what do Obama and the over-reactionaries to the Arizona not understand about criminal activity (illegals with records and who continue to break laws) as well as probable cause to stop people and ask for their ID? Enforcing the Arizona law is no more prone to civil rights abuse than any other current US law (e.g. Otto Zehm).
BTW: Mexico is not all poverty and economically destitute. We import about 1/3 of of our oil from Mexico as well as Mexico invests more in green energy than the U.S.
Ninch on May 20 at 9:48 a.m.
Please note that all people who disagree with far left ideology are not Republicans, and the only seething anger I observe is from leftist extremist who hate Bush and anything GOP.
BTW: Here in the Northwest the criminalized PLANT is grown as well as brought in from CANADA. Meth is the drug of choice that makes it up here from Mexico, and meth is the drug of violence.
Blaming Americans for using Mexican drugs (as voiced by Caledron) and border violence may be correlated but eliminating controlled substance laws will not end the border problem. Remember a major criminal activity is transporting illegals into the US…You know where people and their families are indentured and threatened/killed to pay the cost of human smuggling.
My observation is that way too many advocates for unfettered illegal immigration make simplistic arguments that do not stand up to critical analysis.
MrDavis on May 20 at 10:11 a.m.
The Arizona law is taken almost verbatim from federal statutory law, and is nearly identical to existing law in California. Under existing law, the police can detain, identify and even search you if they have reasonable suspicion, which is a lower standard than probable cause and need not be supported by knowledge that a crime has been committed. It’s been to the US Supreme Court more than once, and it’s as legal as abortion, like it or not.
remymartin on May 20 at 10:38 a.m.
The president of mexico is a liar. He has the audacity to come here and slam us, while they have some of the most strict immigration laws in the world!. Read mexico’s Law of Population and you will see. And obama stands with calderon arm-in-arm!
leekinny on May 20 at 10:48 a.m.
The idea that those undocumented people in our country are responsible for a great amount of crime is an urban myth perpetuated by those with racist tendencies. http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/05/20/am.costello.az.crime.immigrants.cnn?hpt=C2
leekinny on May 20 at 10:54 a.m.
When looking at an individual, what constitutes reasonable suspicion concerning citizenship ? Is it their nationality, language, color, or shoes?
misjustice on May 20 at 11:45 a.m.
Oh, leekinny, there you go again, being reasonable, and acting like a humanitarian, and stuff! ; )
We all know that the only ‘illegals’ here are brown in color; no white people break the immigration laws or over stay their H1 Visas…lol! It will be easy to identify ‘illegal’ immigrants, if they have brown skin, then stop them.
And don’t even suggest that if Trans National Corporations didn’t hire ‘illegal’ immigrants then there would not be a reason for them to come to a country where you are hated, despised, blamed for all of the society’s woes, and clearly seen as criminal animals trying to tear down our great nation.
We used to say the same things about the Irish (my people), the Italians, the Chinese, the Japanese…etc…every minority has been suspect and deviled by ‘real’ Americans…unfortunately, it is now the turn of those that are of Hispanic descent.
I find it disgusting that our nation has not learned from its racist past/current/future practices…and more than a little sad.
tinybobidaho on May 20 at 11:49 a.m.
leekinny on May 20 at 10:48 a.m.
The idea that those undocumented people in our country are responsible for a great amount of crime is an urban myth perpetuated by those with racist tendencies. http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2…
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Really? Why don’t you take off your blinders and take a look at this website of all the victims of illegal alien crime? Or are you afraid that learning the truth will tarnish your pro amnesty, open borders stance?
http://www.voiac.org/
It’s kind of hard to argue when you look at these people’s faces. You people who argue in favor of illegal aliens should rethink your patriotism to this great country.
leekinny on May 20 at 11:59 a.m.
Prejudice ignores the facts while clinging to unsubstantiated beliefs in order to justify dehumanizing others.
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0520/fact-check-border-violence-decline/
misjustice on May 20 at 12:22 p.m.
Blind allegience to bigotry (and the dehumanization of the ‘other’) in the name of jingositic patriotism is what lead to the interment of the Japanese people during WWII, tiny…
tinybobidaho on May 20 at 12:23 p.m.
leekinny on May 20 at 11:59 a.m.
Prejudice ignores the facts while clinging to unsubstantiated beliefs in order to justify dehumanizing others.
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0520/fact…
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The only prejudice I see is coming from people like you who try to dehumanize Americans and our laws while standing by a lawless country like Mexico who exports their criminals to this country, then sqawks when we protest the crimes they commit. Then you post an article put out by a pro amnesty, open borders liberal media like ABC as if that’s a credible source. This issue of illegal immigration is heating up in this country because people are fed up. If I was you, I’d stay out of the way or you may get just trampled in the process. The November elections is going to show you liberal loons just what America can do when they have had enough. Why don’t you move to Mexico, then that way you can show your support for that corrupt country in person.
misjustice on May 20 at 12:25 p.m.
oops, jingoistic…but ya’ll know what I meant..
tinybobidaho on May 20 at 12:27 p.m.
misjustice on May 20 at 12:22 p.m.
Blind allegience to bigotry (and the dehumanization of the ‘other’) in the name of jingositic patriotism is what lead to the interment of the Japanese people during WWII, tiny…
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This ignorant statement doesn’t even deserve comment.
misjustice on May 20 at 12:29 p.m.
tiny, who did you blame for everything prior to, your boy Ronnie Raygun, the amnesty King throwing open the southern border?
And boy george had 8 years to do something about immigration but his buddies at the Trans National Corporations didn’t want to lose their cheap source of labor…so NOTHING was done!
I think that your anger is misplaced.
tinybobidaho on May 20 at 1:14 p.m.
misjustice on May 20 at 12:29 p.m.
tiny, who did you blame for everything prior to, your boy Ronnie Raygun, the amnesty King throwing open the southern border?
And boy george had 8 years to do something about immigration but his buddies at the Trans National Corporations didn’t want to lose their cheap source of labor…so NOTHING was done!
I think that your anger is misplaced.
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For your information, Reagan later said that signing the first amnesty bill in 1986 was one of the biggest mistakes he ever made while being President. As for Bush, I fought equally as hard against that idiot’s immigration policies, even though unlike Obama, Bush at least made a pretense of securing our border. Obama leaves the border wide open, cuts the funding for it, goes back to the catch & release policy and stops deportations, refuses to finish building the fence that was passed by Congress and signed into law, then lies through his teeth about tough he is on illegal immigration. This idiot is a joke and an embarassment to America.
leekinny on May 20 at 2:08 p.m.
There has been a huge increase in border guards under this administration. More officers are on the border than ever before.
I know of no one, left of center, who is in favor of ‘open borders’. It was one of our major gripes with Cheney/Bush.
Those who benefit from exploiting these people, as a source of cheap labor, in order to illegitimately inflate their profits, would prefer an open border. They are the reason we have this problem.
misjustice on May 20 at 2:20 p.m.
Trans National Corporations are the ONLY ones benefiting from the exploitation of illegal labor…there you go again, leekinny, speaking truth to power and identifying the real culprits…how dare you? ; )
I am not in favor of an open southern or northern border, for that matter. That said, I stand in opposition to Arizona’s racial profiling law…because it will not solve the illegal labor problem.
Let’s try putting the CEOs of Trans National Corporations in jail for breaking our LABOR LAWS; bet that would slow down their illegal hiring practices!
misjustice on May 20 at 2:25 p.m.
“Pres. Barack Obama is expected to ask Congress for an additional $27 billion for border and transportation security along the Southwestern border. The move would help fulfill a promise to the Mexican government to stop the flow of guns across the border and will also likely set the stage for immigration reform and Amnesty by putting the focus on border security first.
The spending represents an 8% increase from the 2009 budget and will provide funding for the hiring of more agents, enhanced security at air and seaports, expanded screening for illegal immigrants in jail and improvements to web-based workplace verification.”
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/news/may-6-2009/obama-request-additional-funding-border-security.html
Much of what you spew about President Obama’s defunding of programs in support of border security would be true, tiny, if it were. So if you have your manties in a knot over the lack of funding, tiny, I suggest that you blame the House and Senate representatives…a President can only request budget increases, it is up to Congress to fund programs.
tinybobidaho on May 20 at 2:46 p.m.
You guys really need to keep up instead of posting 2009 articles that don’t mean squat.
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Obama’s budget curbs border programs
Updated 2/4/2010 2:07 PM By Jack Gruber, USA TODAY
Contractors install giant sections of fence near Calexico, Calif., along the border with Mexico in September 2007. Under the president’s plan on border security, the existing 643 miles of border fence would be maintained, but no new barriers would be built.
By Mimi Hall, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is proposing to scale back some border security programs set up after the 9/11 attacks and ramp up aviation security following the attempted Christmas bombing, in what some conservative lawmakers say is a dangerous priority shift.
Rep. Hal Rogers, R-Ky., the top Republican on the House panel overseeing the Department of Homeland Security’s budget, says the border security funding in President Obama’s budget for fiscal year 2011 is “woefully inadequate” and “as dangerous as it is indefensible.”
Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano says her department’s $56.3 billion budget for next year, up 2% over this year, enhances security “across the board.” Department spokesman Bobby Whithorne says the budget “continues to support smart, effective programs to strengthen border and interior security” while making “significant investments in aviation security.”
BUDGET: 2011 gives federal prisons $528M
AIRPORT SECURITY: 500 body scanners in 2011
HOLDER: I chose to charge Christmas terror suspect
If Congress approves Obama’s proposals:
• The Border Patrol, which doubled to 20,000 agents during the Bush administration, would lose 180 agents through attrition. Border staffing would stay the same.
• A “virtual” fence of pole cameras and sensors aimed at stopping illegal immigrants, drug smugglers and terrorists on the U.S.-Mexican border, faces a $225 million cut from $800 million last year. That would delay implementation while a review of the fence, plagued by technical problems, is done.
• Five of the Coast Guard’s 13 elite Maritime Security and Safety Teams (MSST), created since 2001 to protect waterfront cities, would be eliminated. Obama is proposing cuts in New York City, San Francisco, Anchorage and King’s Bay, Ga.
• The existing 643 miles of concrete-and-steel border fence would be maintained but no new barriers would be built.
WINTER OLYMPICS: Games highlight new U.S. border requirements
STIMULS FUNDS: Small border crossings to get big share
In the wake of the failed attempt to blow up an airplane bound for Detroit on Dec. 25, Obama’s budget for next year calls for $371 million for 500 more body scanners, 275 more canine teams and an unspecified number of new air marshals.
Former Homeland Security department policy chief Stewart Baker says in paying for more aviation security, the White House “has decided that some of the border defenses are more expendable. … We’re taking some risks there.”
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-02-04-border-security-budget_N.htm
leekinny on May 20 at 2:46 p.m.
Your absolutely right misjustice.
It should also be noted that it is close to impossible to get anything through Congress with the Republicans blocking EVERYTHING in the Senate. It’s been that way for the 111th Congress as it was for the 110th.
misjustice on May 20 at 2:48 p.m.
The Party of NO…makes tiny mad…at the wrong people…
leekinny on May 20 at 2:54 p.m.
http://www.dhs.gov/files/programs/border-fence-southwest.shtm
spokanada on May 20 at 3:55 p.m.
Ignorance is bliss. Lets blame all of America’s problems on a black president or brown illegal aliens.
So apparently the party of no and the tea baggers who are against the expansion of government think it is alright for the police to demand citizenship papers from Americans. This is what they say “yes” to?
Just because someone is brown and doesnt speak english doesnt mean that they are an illegal alien.
I feel sorry for all the negative commenters and all the hate that they posess. Try enjoying life!
tinybobidaho on May 20 at 4:39 p.m.
spokanada on May 20 at 3:55 p.m.
Ignorance is bliss. Lets blame all of America’s problems on a black president or brown illegal aliens.
So apparently the party of no and the tea baggers who are against the expansion of government think it is alright for the police to demand citizenship papers from Americans. This is what they say “yes” to?
Just because someone is brown and doesnt speak english doesnt mean that they are an illegal alien.
I feel sorry for all the negative commenters and all the hate that they posess. Try enjoying life!
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This is a good example of ignorance of what is really going on here. It’s people like you who throw race into all these conversations because you don’t know the facts and it’s people like you who are stirring up hate where there is none. You have one thing in mind and that’s to sling racial accusations where there is no basis for it. Maybe if you researched a little more about our country’s law, you’d have more intelligent things to say. And maybe you should read the Arizona bill before you spout off and look foolish like this President of ours who goes around stirring up racial conflicts.
It’s already a federal law for any foreign national who is here legally to carry their papers on them at all times. A green card is about the size of any other ID card. It’s also a law that if you want to drive, you need to carry a driver’s license. Most Americans carry multiple cards on them as they need them to do the necessary daily things in life. So, if someone is caught breaking a law and cannot produce any of these, it’s reasonable to assume there is a suspicion that they may not be in the country legally. What is your problem with that, or does that make too much sense for you to comprehend? Or maybe you just want to leave the borders open so any criminal can come in to do harm to the American people like 3 of the 911 terrorists who came across the southern border illegally. It might interest you to know that these 3 were previously stopped by local law enforcement several times and were never checked for their legal status. Had that been done, 3000 innocent people may still be alive today. So, keep right on sticking up for the criminals, and we Americans who really care about this country, will continue to fight FOR our country. All your name calling and race baiting just gives us more reason to fight harder.
BigE on May 20 at 5:14 p.m.
Bob, that was well said, there is strength in numbers.
I have been out of our country and I followed all of their laws.
Work hard, be happy, keep paying those taxes, support the troops.
misjustice on May 20 at 5:56 p.m.
AGAIN< the true CRIMINALS are the Trans National Corporations that break our Employment Laws on a daily basis; and face no legal sanctions for it… in fact they reap profits from it!
Guess tiny and littlee are in favor of punishing the little guys (individuals) while letting the big ones (corporations) get away with their illegal actions!
tinybobidaho on May 20 at 7:10 p.m.
misjustice on May 20 at 5:56 p.m.
AGAIN< the true CRIMINALS are the Trans National Corporations that break our Employment Laws on a daily basis; and face no legal sanctions for it… in fact they reap profits from it!
Guess tiny and littlee are in favor of punishing the little guys (individuals) while letting the big ones (corporations) get away with their illegal actions!
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Wrong again. I think anybody who hires illegal aliens and knowingly aids & abets (also against the law) in the comfort of illegal aliens should go to prison.
It’s been mentioned that this new Arizona law is unconstitutional and violates a person rights. However, in a 2005 Supreme Court case Muehler vs. Mena, it was found by a unanimous 9-0 decision that asking for a person’s immigration papers DOES NOT violate a person rights and law enforcement does not even need a reasonable suspicion to ask for identification. So, Arizona’s law is softer than the federal law, and it will be interesting to see Obama fight the highest court in the land.
spokanada on May 20 at 8:25 p.m.
Tinybob, you said
“It’s already a federal law for any foreign national who is here legally to carry their papers on them at all times.”
That is not true. If you disagree please provide a source.
JBlim on May 20 at 8:25 p.m.
tinybo:
Muehler vs. Mena involved a case where a person was detained in handcuffs pursuant to a search warrant.That’s hardly the same thing as someone who merely looks like an illegal.
http://www.ipsofactoj.com/international/2006/Part04/int2006%2804%29-010.htm
tinybobidaho on May 20 at 8:41 p.m.
spokanada on May 20 at 8:25 p.m.
Tinybob, you said
“It’s already a federal law for any foreign national who is here legally to carry their papers on them at all times.”
That is not true. If you disagree please provide a source.
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Here’s where you guys lose your credibility. Apparently you are the only one who doesn’t know this. This has been the law and has remained unchanged since the 30’s. Do some research! I’m not going to educate you, but I do suggest you educate yourself before making foolish comments like this. I’m not going to spend my time researching for you. If you question me, then look it up!
spokanada on May 20 at 8:42 p.m.
TinyBob, you also said,
“Most Americans carry multiple cards on them as they need them to do the necessary daily things in life. So, if someone is caught breaking a law and cannot produce any of these, it’s reasonable to assume there is a suspicion that they may not be in the country legally.”
You don’t have to be caught breaking a law for the police to ask you for your identification. Maybe it is time that you read the bill and quit commenting with your lies.
spokanada on May 20 at 8:43 p.m.
Tinybob, you also said,
“I think anybody who hires illegal aliens and knowingly aids & abets (also against the law) in the comfort of illegal aliens should go to prison.”
I agree!
spokanada on May 20 at 8:47 p.m.
okay Tinybob,
I will educate you!
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=f3f43a4107083210VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=f3f43a4107083210VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD
Now tell me where it says that green card holders need to keep the card with them at all times.
Keep talking about credibility and ignorance but you are proving to be full of hate and bullcrap
tinybobidaho on May 20 at 8:56 p.m.
JBlim on May 20 at 8:25 p.m.
tinybo:
Muehler vs. Mena involved a case where a person was detained in handcuffs pursuant to a search warrant.That’s hardly the same thing as someone who merely looks like an illegal.
http://www.ipsofactoj.com/internation…
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That’s right. She was detained in handcuffs for her and the officers safety while they searched the premises and the court found that it didn’t infringe on 4th amendment rights. She was never charged with anything because she wasn’t the one they were after. But they still didn’t need a reason to ask her immigration status because it specifically says “a police officer does not need independent reasonable suspicion to question an individual about her immigration status.” When you think about it, Arizona limited themselves more than they had to because their law says they have to have a reasonable suspicion “during lawful contact” for something else. The U.S. Supreme Court says they don’t have to, but Arizona wants to be sure there will be no racial profiling.
tinybobidaho on May 20 at 9:01 p.m.
spokanada on May 20 at 8:42 p.m.
TinyBob, you also said,
“Most Americans carry multiple cards on them as they need them to do the necessary daily things in life. So, if someone is caught breaking a law and cannot produce any of these, it’s reasonable to assume there is a suspicion that they may not be in the country legally.”
You don’t have to be caught breaking a law for the police to ask you for your identification. Maybe it is time that you read the bill and quit commenting with your lies
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According to the U.S. Supreme Court, you don’t need to be breaking a law to asked for your immigration papers, but in Arizona’s new law, you do. I believe you are the one who needs to read the bill before you call me a liar. I know what it says.
spokanada on May 20 at 9:12 p.m.
source??????
And what about my previous comment about green cards???
tinybobidaho on May 20 at 9:17 p.m.
spokanada on May 20 at 8:47 p.m.
okay Tinybob,
I will educate you!
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/usci…
Now tell me where it says that green card holders need to keep the card with them at all times.
Keep talking about credibility and ignorance but you are proving to be full of hate and bullcrap
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I stand corrected. It wasn’t in the 30’s, it was the Alien Registration Act of 1940. Read the bill. And this is the problem with you open borders, pro-amnesty liberal whiners. You think everything is about race and hate. Well, when people like you fight to try to stop our laws from being enforced, it tells me you’re the one full of hate, hate for this country.
spokanada on May 20 at 9:19 p.m.
Good night Liar!
xoxox
spokanada on May 20 at 9:20 p.m.
You do not need to carry your green card with you at all times!
Thanks for playing.
tinybobidaho on May 20 at 9:23 p.m.
spokanada on May 20 at 9:20 p.m.
You do not need to carry your green card with you at all times!
Thanks for playing.
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Your ignorance is telling.
spokanada on May 20 at 9:25 p.m.
perhaps we have a different understanding of the word ignorance. I believe that when I use facts and back them up with sources in a discussion I am not being ignorant.
Do you believe the opposite?
tinybobidaho on May 20 at 9:32 p.m.
I guess U.S. Citizenship & Immigration Services is lying, too, huh?
A green card is issued to all permanent residents as proof that they are authorized to live and work in the United States. If you are a permanent resident age 18 or older, you are required to have a valid green card in your possession at all times. Current green cards are valid for 10 years, or 2 years in the case of a conditional resident, and must be renewed before the card expires.
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=f1903a4107083210VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=f1903a4107083210VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD
tinybobidaho on May 20 at 9:34 p.m.
You put the link up yourself, so maybe you just don’t know how to read, huh?
Scoutster on May 21 at 8:02 a.m.
Wow, so much insight and finesse. Sorry I missed all this.
I don’t care what happens, as long as the price of a head of iceberg lettuce doesn’t go up.
eagleproducer on May 21 at 1:27 p.m.
Another of my posts deleted? For what? No obscenity, no personal attacks… What was so offensive to have it removed?
All I stated is that the U.S. is set to deport 400,000 illegal aliens this year, the vast majority who have committed crimes while in the U.S. This number amounts to more than any deported during any year of the boy george administration.
I’m surprised at the outrage against Calderon for calling out the U.S. for their drug use and blaming their ills on the latest “others.” Haven’t U.S. leaders for decades travelled to foreign countries to dictate policies?
misjustice on May 21 at 10:27 p.m.
Perhaps your post was removed because you said something that riled the corporate media, such as something that might resemble the ‘truth’, Spoketucky…