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September 14, 2010 in City
Sheriff’s Office looks at Hirzel’s role in online sex toy business
Knezovich says deputy could face discipline
Deputy Brian Hirzel, already under investigation for fatally shooting a Spokane Valley pastor, now is the subject of a new probe.
Hirzel failed to disclose, as required under Sheriff’s Office rules, that he and his wife are co-owners of a business that sells sex toys online, and could face disciplinary measures if investigators determine he’s taken an active role in the company’s operations, Spokane County Sheriff Ozzie Knezovich said Monday.
“He told us his wife runs it. If his wife runs it, I can’t control what a spouse does,” Knezovich said, adding that an anonymous tipster advised the Sheriff’s Office on Friday of Hirzel’s connection to the sex toys company. “If he was part of it, there will be some kind of disciplinary action. The discipline will be determined by the facts of the matter.”
Department policy requires deputies to alert the sheriff about any outside employment. Additionally, deputies are barred from operating any business that would pose a conflict of interest with their law enforcement duties or bring the office into “disrepute.”
And operating an online business selling “lingerie, souvenirs and condoms,” according to a yellowpages.com advertisement, would qualify as bringing the office into disrepute, Knezovich said.
“There are reasons why we don’t allow people to work in certain industries. It does not look good for deputies to run such businesses. The public expects us to follow a certain moral code,” he said.
A message left late Monday at the number listed for Vanessa Allure was not returned.
Idaho business records show Hirzel and his wife own two businesses, Vanessa Allure, which specializes in sex toys, and Bounce Party USA, which is a party-planning business specializing in kids events.
Knezovich said Brian Hirzel properly disclosed his ownership in the Bounce Party business, which complied with all the office policies.
Knezovich said a lieutenant and captain with the Sheriff’s Office just started working on the case on Monday and they want the anonymous tipster, or anyone else who has done business with Vanessa Allure, to call in with any helpful information.
Meanwhile, Spokane Police Department officials, who are leading the investigation into the shooting, said last week that they had hoped to turn over by Monday their investigation into the Aug. 25 killing of pastor Wayne Scott Creach to Spokane County Prosecutor Steve Tucker. But investigators continue to wait for results from tests on evidence and information from the medical examiner’s office, multiple sources said.
Closing Geiger: Wise or worrisome? 
Scoutster on September 14 at 6:40 a.m.
Could you have buried this any deeper?
misjustice on September 14 at 7:18 a.m.
Selling dildos is a time honored tradition, I’m sure. “Investigators” will likely determine that the officer did nothing wrong; Officer Vegas just needed to supplement his paltry cop’s salary. What’s a poor guy to do?
garmiester on September 14 at 7:29 a.m.
Here is another attempt by Ozzie to deflect on how poorly his department is ran. What Deputy Hirzel’s does for a living outside his department should not be brought up during this investigation. Mr. Hirzel has a right to work outside jobs along as he does not represent himself as a Spokane County Deputy Sheriff. Years past the Spokane County Sheriff’s, the Fire Dept. and the Police Dept. made up calendar’s with officers in suggestive outfits. These officer were wearing partial uniforms of their departments. Funny did anyone care then or were these officer even investigated. Come on OZZIIE, any citizen including your officers have rights, just look at our constitution, Maybe you should look at several issues of the American Police Beat magazine. There have been several Law Enforcement agencies that have attempted to fire police officers for selling adult items and even being in adult movies. Most of these of officers got their jobs back, because they never used their law enforcement agency as a prop. Remember your officers work for you for 40hrs a week, they do have a life outside your department.
fredjames on September 14 at 7:45 a.m.
I can’t control what a spouse does,” Knezovich said, and the buck stops here , but I was out of town and don’t want to guess at who told Hirzel he could leave town. AndI have been back in town for a week now and have not been able to ask who told Hirzel to leave town. The retired prosecuting attorney stated to wait more than 48 hours from the shooting to interview Hirzel weakens the prosecution case.
Creach had a hobby and a sideline to his business, besides his day job of owning a plant farm, he develped church organizations. He never went to Vegas, and he had a radio show to hlep members of the community with their landscape and plants.
The policy is to state what your family is doing on the side, if Hirzel gained any financial betterment , due to his wife working the sex toy trade, then hirzel gained to as their assets are a , per Washington State law a community property. So Ozzy, once more is a liar and a extremely poor politician and vote this election what you think about him.
liarsinnews on September 14 at 7:59 a.m.
When Hizel was parked in the florist parking lot telling everybody he was reviewing the tickets he`d written, I`d guess he may have been selling bedroom trinkets.
Sadbuttrue on September 14 at 8:23 a.m.
Truth is stranger than fiction. Imagine the following screaming National Equirer headline:
COP/DILDO PEDDLER SLAYS CLERIC, FLEES TO VEGAS
fredjames on September 14 at 8:47 a.m.
Man killed by off-duty trooper in Puget Sound area , the man came on the WSP private property late at night without permission!
According to the Sheriff’s Office, the confrontation occurred about 11:30 p.m. Saturday after Blankers( WSP private property owner- took his gun and went outside), who was not expecting visitors, heard a car stop in his driveway, which is a distance off the road in the Olalla area.( private property)
The trooper picked up a handgun, told his wife to call 911 and went outside to investigate. The private property owner shot the trespasser and killed him, the private property owner was a WSP.
davidw on September 14 at 8:58 a.m.
@garmeister:
The sheriff’s comments regarding Hirzel’s connections to this company were in response to our questions about it, as opposed to an issue that he decided to publicly raise on his own.
The apparent connection shows up in basic background searches that we — and, apparently, at least one local TV station — had done a while ago. Our story and my reading of the KXLY report on this both make clear that the investigation into potential departmental policy violations on undisclosed outside employment is separate from the investigation into the fatal shooting of Pastor Creach, and that it arose after being brought to the department’s attention by a tipster.
Can’t speak for KXLY, but at the time we first spotted this information we were putting our greatest efforts into trying to obtain an accounting of what happened the night Creach was killed, rather than diverting efforts into performing the various verification necessary before proceeding with a report on the deputy’s connections to a home-based business. Obviously, we have since obtained the verification and yesterday asked the sheriff about it.
Thanks for reading The SR,
David Wasson
Deputy City Editor
lewis8457 on September 14 at 9:02 a.m.
They know something they do not want getting out to the public about this story. They have dragged their feet through the whole thing. They had to spend a week explaining why it wasn’t Ozzies fault the deputy went on vacation, then we had to hear what happens when the screw up protocol goes into play. WE got to see the detective supervisor recite Hirzels statement off the top of his head, Now we get to hear how a deputy that makes a very good income sells sex toys. I have always thought Mr. Creach saw something that night and it got him killed. Now there are more possibilities. Malon is calling foul and trying to get another prosecutor to look at the case rather then just hurry and get it done before tee time tucker. I think the fact they haven’t arrested Hirzel speaks volumes. And I cant help but wonder how perverted someone can be that will shoot a man at arms length go home sell a few sex toys and then go on vacation.
lewis8457 on September 14 at 9:13 a.m.
garmiester that is all well and good but when employers credit check and then drug test applicants aren’t they in effect saying what the applicant cannot do in their off time? Before and after hire?
it is all well a good for the union workers to live under a cover of protection but us blue collar workers we are open targets.
If my past/current off time activities need to be known to my employer so does everyone else’s, otherwise it is called DISCRIMINATION.
ChefGus/ John Olsen on September 14 at 9:22 a.m.
There is a high likelihood that “company’ computers may well have been being used by the officer. Folks that are in that trade, often are compulsive people, and if the officer is compulsive then he likely would have left “tracks” on his computer’s at work for his home business. I know of lots of folks in the employment of the government that use their computers regularly for non government “business/pleasure”…. there are WAC codes on this likely.. john
maddog on September 14 at 9:56 a.m.
Sex toy’s AND kiddie party’s what is wrong with this combonation?
Bruce (aka thatoneguy) on September 14 at 9:59 a.m.
“…the subject of a new probe.” LOL.
SpokaneLiberal on September 14 at 10:01 a.m.
Potentially disturbing business combo; although plenty of normal people use sex toys, probably including half the wives of the police force.
Ed Byrnes on September 14 at 10:04 a.m.
misjustice: I laughed deeply when I read your posting.
sadbuttrue: I laughed deeply again when I read your headline.
Thanks to both of you.
I don’t believe that the nature of the business matters. Consenting adults engage in all sorts of sexual behavior and it is not the governments business. Part of our problem with law enforcement includes laws which are intrusive into our benign private behavior.
The striking thing about this story is that deputy Hirzel chose not to follow the letter nor the spirit of the department policy. If a reasonable person was uncertain about what an employers policy requires of them they would ask their superiors about it. He did disclose the bounce party business so he apparently is the kind of deputy who believes that they can pick and choose which rules they will follow and when they will follow them. This is an important finding of fact that goes to his character, essentially making his statements about anything suspect.
Again I don’t care about the nature of his side business. What I do care about is that we now have evidence of yet another local law enforcement deputy acting as if they are above the rules.
maria on September 14 at 10:07 a.m.
“Potentially disturbing business combo; although plenty of normal people use sex toys, probably including half the wives of the police force.”
Well duh, they have a local supplier who just made a run to Vegas.
misjustice on September 14 at 10:34 a.m.
I owned a business. My husbands name was NOT on that business. When it came time to pay the IRS, his name was on the IRS papers because we were married.
What I did in that business was exactly that! My business. Husband had no control or say over what sales I made. So just because his name is on some papers, doesn’t mean he has anything to do with the business.
maria on September 14 at 10:47 a.m.
Oh, I seriously doubt that, Gramma. Lol.
maria on September 14 at 10:49 a.m.
And how will you defend this cop if they find porn on his work computer, Gramma?
misjustice on September 14 at 10:52 a.m.
Gramms; Hirzel disclosed the kiddie bouncy/bumper business to his employers but did NOT disclose the adult bouncy/bumper business.
Seems to me as if the officer picks and chooses what is relevant and what to disclose; selective disclosure could be equated to selective truth telling. Which does raise questions relating to Hirzel’s character, or lack thereof.
maria on September 14 at 10:56 a.m.
Snert….Lol!!! I love you, misjustice!
sledmike on September 14 at 10:56 a.m.
While the prosecutor is poking around, there should be no more opportunities to have surprises sneak up from behind him. The prosecutors position should not come under dispute and allow only independent penetration of the details. If the sheriff is caught with details under the bed, a thorough whipping at the poll is in order.
Sex toys and kids parties…..don’t mix up the Christmas gifts….Gramma or the kids may be….well….mystified?
Somehow sheriff’s office does not always draw the most professional of candidates. I’m not sure that someone who would like to be considered a role model for the community should have a “toy” business as first choice….. not illegal, just poor judgment. Might indicate a pattern.
maria on September 14 at 11:04 a.m.
They should stop dicking around and get to the bottom of this.
zelda on September 14 at 11:07 a.m.
I think most folks here aren’t seeing the forest for the trees. Hirzel had a sideline business he did not report because the nature of the business violated the dept’s code of conduct. So there are two violations here — he engaged in a moonlighting business that wasn’t allowed and then failed to report it because he knew it was against the rules. Saying that it was his wife’s business, to me, shows that he took steps to conceal his activities.
All this casts doubt on his character and ability to tell the truth.
misjustice on September 14 at 11:12 a.m.
Zelda; there’s truth and then there’s “truthiness”.
If Hirzel is willing to lie to cover up a non-authorized business, what else is he willing to lie about? Homicide?
zelda on September 14 at 11:15 a.m.
misjustice — Precisely.
horse_feathers on September 14 at 11:26 a.m.
This could be the break in the case the cops are looking for to explain at least one contradiction. What if Hirzel thought he grabbed his baton but instead grabbed his dildo on that evening in question. That could explain why no mark was left on the body. Hmm
misjustice on September 14 at 11:29 a.m.
Investigators are asking “…anyone else who has done business with Vanessa Allure, to call in with any helpful information.”
What would be considered “helpful”?
Albert on September 14 at 11:30 a.m.
Hello Ron…I was in the executive level with SBSO and you well know the extent of the required background checks on every new hire with RPD. Is this a total and complete joke, or am I missing the target on this? It well appears that the “local agencies” are not instituting this type of BGC on their hires. “Surprises” like this should have been eliminated at the 2nd interview stages. The entire incident is beyond sick. A pastor murdered, ongoing lies and deceit, now an admission of a mixture of “kiddies” and “adult toys”. It would be very interesting to interview some of the parents who actually utilized this “service”…how about the “video’s” that were shot???? This does call for a Federal investigation - based upon the “potential” of these questions. In my limited humble opinion.
misjustice on September 14 at 11:34 a.m.
Albert, I remember reading that Hirzel made a “lateral” transfer from Kootenai County. Your post regarding background checks raises important questions about the vetting process. Are officers that make a “lateral” transfer vetted?
zelda on September 14 at 12:07 p.m.
>>What would be considered “helpful”?
Well, let’s see…taxes, for one thing. Did he provide tax revenues to the state for the sales from these businesses? Did he report the income on Schedule C? Did he report it accurately? Or are they shell businesses, used to launder money?
That’s just a start. I’m sure there could be other types of “helpful” information.
maria on September 14 at 12:19 p.m.
He probably used the Vegas trip as a tax write-off.
fredjames on September 14 at 12:33 p.m.
As general reply to the comments like, the police are always honorable and always do the right thing. E.W. “Bill” Parsons, after service as a merchant marine in WWII returned to Spokane and worked his way from Spokane beat cop, to Chief of Police and to Commissioner. He was a good man. However, as a rookie cop, when a member of the Spokane police department murdered another cop in a outlining community, while stealing milk in the depression, this is how the cover up went then.
Then top Spokane police officials handled it, this way. . Bill was ordered to take a package and toss it over the Monroe Street Bridge; it was the Spokane Police killer’s weapon. Bill was a rookie, and would have been fired for doing anything else. He was instructed not to look or open the package but had a good idea what was inside. He had a family needed his job. After Bill retired, the gun was found, and a TV show interviewed Bill about it. Due to politics, that segment was never aired. Prior to Bill’s death, he wanted to set the record straight.
So what is going on now with the current Police Department in the Creach murder is just the 2010 version of a cover up, there was never any need to use deadly force and Hirzel was allowed to go to Vegas to lower the prosecutors chances of a conviction for murder. The allowing time to pass weakens the case. . The police do not want to convict one of their own, so they will what they can, to delay and spin the story so that they can try to help Hirzel. So far everything they have done except the delay seems to be backfiring!
A off duty WSP officer just killed a trespasser while the trespasser was on the WSP home private property( the trespasser drove his car onto the private driveway) next the private property owner (WSP) did exactly what Creach did , he went outside to see why a stranger at 11:30 pm was on his private property. That is a right we all have, read the Constitution. The WSP officer’s wife called 911 and it was almost identical to Creach situation and his wife. The only difference is the Spokane trespasser(police) murdered the private property owner.
The RCW on trespass does not allow a government official to loiter on private property while doing paperwork. That was what hirzel testified to as why he was there; prowl watch was a secondary and really non issue, or an excuse for trespassing. There was no crime in view or a chase or a 911 call when Hirzel started trespassing. He should have gone to a SCOPE office and completed his paperwork or done it at a open business like a McDonalds while having a drink in a open business. He just did not want to be bothered with doing anything for the Spokane Taxpayer while on standby and completing his paperwork. So he made a bad decision to go to a private property.
misjustice on September 14 at 12:37 p.m.
Ohh, that kind of helpful, Zelda? The tax evading kind? Hmmm. Interesting.
Ed Byrnes on September 14 at 12:42 p.m.
This all speaks to deputy Hirzel’s character and credibility, actually his lack thereof, with the nature of the business he failed to report removed from the mix.
Ron_the_Cop on September 14 at 1:25 p.m.
Albert,
I agree. I think it’s about time to do some inquiries with Cathedral City PD to see why Hirzel have left for Idaho. There may be something telling there.
Fred James,
The incident you mentioned is actually covered in the book about former Sheriff Tony Bamonte by bestselling NYT reporter and writer Timothy Egan, “Breaking Blue.” For a review see this link to the S-R:
http://www.spokesmanreview.com/interactive/bookclub/reviews/staff_review.asp?RevID=24
I agree there may be more in common with SPD today and the period this book covers then at first glance.
maria on September 14 at 3:19 p.m.
If he dishonored his badge before this in Idaho then he should have been blacklisted by law in Washington.
http://www.spokesmanreview.com/breaking/story.asp?ID=14210
maria on September 14 at 3:31 p.m.
Now I’m not sure if there is an interstate agreement regarding my above link. If there isn’t one, then there should be.
lexismom61 on September 14 at 4:20 p.m.
He didn’t know his wife had the business OMG please!!! We are not idiots. I’m so glad our soldiers have learned NOT to shoot first and ask questions later, we would be constantly at war(worse then we are now). Our officers are way to fast to shoot, and what the hell ever happened to trying to wound them an arm or leg?? If he was on his knee’s as reported where is the threat? It is an outrage, but before I go on let me take a vacation and think about what i’m going to say next…..
This way I can consult with my Union and Lawyer….Spokane at its finest.
I haven’t seen this on the national news, I was hoping to, then maybe something would be done. Not another Otto Zehm.
Verbal on September 14 at 4:28 p.m.
@ Scoutster: +1
fredjames on September 14 at 4:36 p.m.
Ron the Cop,
Ron, I knew about this from Bill and I knew his wife Jerry, and knew their daughter, , Nothing like getting to work with a cop who killed anyone, including another cop just to get away and steal some milk.That says a lot about a man, and the police department in this town, and it is not limited to Spokane. police are close to crime all the time, and have to not get sucked into the evil side !
Creach could have been controlled, and frisked in a vigorous way, and any weapon he had could have been removed, he did not want to kill anyone.
I have had guns pulled on me on the street and granted , I could have been shot, but was not. Luck and I responded in a way that both parties went home.
I recall a police man who walked across an alley in downtown and while he did keep his hand on his holstered gun, he took away a handgun from a drunk holding a woman and the drunk had his gun out and it could have been bad.
I think that Police officer did protect and serve and put his life on the line, we need more of that now. Think of the situation, 74 year old man, not a gang banger. I do not believe Hirzel first hit Creach with a police club, I think that is a liar statement, to justify kill zone move up in step from verbal command to kill. I think Hirzel is a coward.
eagleproducer on September 14 at 5:22 p.m.
Blow up dolls and bounce castles. Yet the public is supposed to believe Hirzel’s account of the shooting isn’t also a bunch of hot air?
I can’t believe a write in candidate for the Sheriff’s race hasn’t emerged.
Ron?
Bradford?
garmiester on September 14 at 5:26 p.m.
I have just one question about Hirzels businesses.If their businesses dealt with anything other than adult toys would the high in mighty be so upset. Next how many wifes of officers have Passion Parties that sell adult toys and then profit from there sales. In essance their husbands then gain a monetary amount for these sales.Should they call Ozzie and tell him that their wives are having adult toy parties. Call off the Crusades, and everyone who have thrown the first stone, better not live in glass houses.
misjustice on September 14 at 5:41 p.m.
It’s not the type of business for me that’s the problem, it’s that Hirzel never reported it to the department which is in violation of one of their employment policies. He reported the kiddie bouncy/bumpy business and did NOT report the adult bouncy/bumpy business.
The implication is that he selectively follows rules/policies and that he didn’t report the adult business because he knew he was in violation of department policy.
If Ozzie knew about the adult bouncy/bumpy business and gave the big okey dokey for Hirzel to be engaged in the business I’d doubt that there would be a separate investigation. That there is an investigation suggests that Hirzel could have violated department policy.
Spokane_Citizen on September 14 at 5:44 p.m.
Gramma, I didn’t know you once owned a sex toy business. My whole opinion about you has changed….you’re a cool old gramma now!
PlanB on September 14 at 7:31 p.m.
Boy if I had a nickel for every time I made THAT mistake! Really, who hasn’t meant to grab the police issue baton but mistakenly gets the 16 Function Super Rabbit! The kids in the ball pool go crazy!
bszottlinger on September 14 at 7:40 p.m.
The cardinal rule for investigating any alleged crime involving law enforcement personnel:
Never believe the cop, never believe the witnesses, and never believe the victim, until there is substantial corroborative evidence clearly establishing the truth.
Albert:
Ron_the_Cop:
If you only knew how much time I have spent dealing with criminal issues associated with some of those individuals that had passed those “stringent” California pre-employment investigations. I wonder what the folks would think if one of you posted California Code Chapter 9.7 Sections 3300-3313.
:)
Brad
Cheezwhiz on September 14 at 7:46 p.m.
Think the investigation included a check for semen? Now I have an idea of why Hirzel was parked in a dark parking lot while being on the computer. I also have an idea of why Mr. Creach may have been angry and why Hirzel wanted to shoot him. What was the reason that Hirzel waited till Mr. Creach was two feet away from the car, before he got out? Zipper stuck? Oddly enough, most cops act “better than thou.” This is just more proof that they are scum. Most people don’t desire to own sex toy businesses or be friends with anyone who does.
Ed Byrnes on September 14 at 8:13 p.m.
I am with misjustice on this one.
The issue is not the nature of the business the Hirzel family was involved in.
The issue is Hirzel’s selective disclosure.
Hirzels’ behavior points clearly to his selective honesty.
The WSP, SPD or any other group associated with law enforcement will protect their own in this investigation.
Demand direct citizen review of police violence!
bszottlinger on September 14 at 8:50 p.m.
Albert:
Ron_the_Cop:
Now if this mess was in Riverside or San Bernardino, Sheriff Ozzie might be in a bit of a pickle with the PSOBR.
3308-Financial disclosure; right to refuse; exceptions
No public safety officer shall be required or requested for purposes of job assignment or other personnel action to disclose any item of his property, income, assets, source of income, debts or personal or domestic expenditures (including those of any member of his family or household) unless such information is obtained or required under state law or proper legal procedure, tends to indicate a conflict of interest with respect to the performance of his official duties, or is necessary for the employing agency to ascertain the desirability of assigning the public safety officer to a specialized unit in which there is a strong possibility that bribes or other improper inducements may be offered.
Brad
Elkay on September 14 at 9:57 p.m.
At this point, it just ain’t looking too good for Officer Hirzel. I can kind of, sort of, understand his continuation to Vegas (not a great choice, actually dumb), but this new information with the adult toys will not help in his PR case.
Let’s say this is his “wife’s business”. “Honey, I can make extra money with an online business!!!!”
Where has their common sense gone? Where was he when she/they opened this biz?
I am SO disappointed. But I’ll still stick with patience until the forensics are in. Really, just stay calm. Patience has a way to always reveal the truth.
arroyoribera on September 14 at 10:48 p.m.
Let’s look back on recent Spokane law enforcement history with a common theme —
Spokane County Sheriff Detective exposes self to barista
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2006/dec/14/deputy-says-he-was-led-on/
Spokane Police Officer out with Sheriff Deputies accused of sex crime
http://spokanepoliceabuses.wordpress.com/2008/01/27/spd-officer-jason-uberuaga-fired-for-conduct-unbecoming/
The Firehouse Sex Scandal — two Spokane Police Detectives order Fireman to destroy photos of 16 year old he had sex with.
http://www.spokesmanreview.com/news/newstrack.asp?newstrack=Firefighter%20sex%20scandal
Sgt David Freitag’s harboring of a child-porn possessing sex offender in his basement.
http://www.spokesmanreview.com/tools/story_pf.asp?ID=142076
So what should be the fate of Sheriff Ozzie Knezovich? The same one that met another distinguished law enforcement leader in the Spokane area, who failed in the middle of trying times to restore public trust.
http://www.spokesmanreview.com/breaking/story.asp?ID=8196
All of this is without mentioning Jay Olson’s drug house (a scandal long before he left a gay bar under the influence and shot Shonto Pete)
http://spokanepoliceabuses.wordpress.com/2007/10/30/spd-slumlord-jay-olsens-drug-house/
And without mention Jay Mehring and any number of other cases.
Be assured that the genie is out of the bottle and that people will start coming forward with more allegations about misconduct by the Sheriff’s staff. This is long overdue.
Obviously public trust Spokane area law enforcement does not exist and will not be restored anytime soon. Nor should it.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. These guys work for us. The days of them having ordinary citizens knelling before them, subject to humiliation and treatment as if they were at Abu Ghraib treated as animals need to be over and now.
DELTA on September 16 at 2:52 a.m.
Well in the church if a priest was didling alter boys, the church would just send the priest to another area and keep quiet.
Maybe the police did the same with a cop that has selective judgment?
D Statler on September 16 at 9:16 p.m.
I belive the WSP protocall tracks the problem officers keeping them from transfering within the state.The city and county do not track these people. This means Hirzel might be working in Colville next. I have mentioned before that we need WSP standards in the SPD and Sheriffs departments.I am sure there might still be a few bad apples.A new leadership might straighten this mess out before the whole orchard went foul again. That is if the GUILD didn’t pull any funny buisness. If they were real men, they would police their own. Where are our county commissioners and other elected officials at? OZZIE and TUCKER need to go.We may need to look at the rest of our elected officials for failure to protect us from this behavior.