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June 12, 2011 in City
Marchers mark progress in gay rights, but hurdles ahead
Grand Marshal Maj. Margaret Witt rides in the Spokane Pride Parade on Saturday. Discharged from the Air Force, Witt settled a lawsuit against the Pentagon.
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Some say gay rights have come a long way, and some say there is still a long way to go.
Many at Spokane’s annual Pride Parade & Rainbow Festival on Saturday said the status quo of the gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, questioning and allied community is a bit of both, citing issues like the impending repeal of the military’s “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy and difficulties facing those who seek same-sex unions.
The parade kicked off near Riverfront Park. A large group came out to celebrate, raise awareness of GLBTQA issues, spend time with friends, family and loved ones, and show support of the parade’s theme: Accept all, no exceptions.
Tami Faith, 33, and her wife, Patti Faith, 44, came to the parade because Lewiston, where they live, has no pride parade of its own. Tami Faith said while society has become more accepting, celebrations like the pride parade are important because equal rights have not been achieved.
“People need to know that we’re just people,” she said. “We’re the same as everyone else. We shouldn’t have to hide it. We shouldn’t have to say we’re gay and have people look at us weird.”
The Faiths had to travel to Canada to get married, Tami Faith said.
“Until everybody has the same rights as everybody else, we have to do this,” Faith said. “Until we can walk into a courthouse and buy a marriage license and get married without a fight.”
The Faiths, whose third anniversary is this summer, wore the same shirts to the parade they wore to their wedding. They read: “She is the other half of my rainbow,” and had arrows pointing to each other. They have been best friends for 10 years.
“We never fight,” Patti Faith said.
But Tami Faith said things weren’t always so easy. Her family struggled to come to terms with her sexuality when she came out three years ago.
“I came out with a vengeance,” said Tami Faith, who comes from a small town and a religious family. “I wasn’t going to hide it anymore. It was hard with my family at first, but it’s getting better.”
She was one of many at the parade who have fought for equality.
Spokane native Maj. Margaret Witt, a decorated flight nurse and advocate of repealing “don’t ask, don’t tell,” served as one of the parade’s grand marshals. Witt, who was discharged from the Air Force for being gay, settled a landmark lawsuit against the Pentagon this spring and retired with full benefits in May.
A uniformed soldier led the parade, marching in front of a large military vehicle. But the repeal of “don’t ask, don’t tell” isn’t final. While President Barack Obama signed the Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell Repeal Act in December, the policy remains in place until the president, the secretary of defense and the Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman certify the repeal, followed by a 60-day waiting period. However, training has begun for Department of Defense employees in preparation for the transition.
Helen Bonser, a longtime civil rights advocate who began fighting for gay rights when her daughter came out as a lesbian in 1981, also served as a grand marshal.
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Ninch on June 12 at 8:16 a.m.
Uh… regular people do not march in parades based on their sexual preference. Most people give strange looks because they themselves have more discreet behavior and do not broadcast their sexual behavior. The uncomfortableness of in-your-face gay activism as well as one’s personal values is turning people off on ‘gay rights.’ I have lots of longtime gay/lesbian friends and we support each other during life’s tribulations (including discriminatory/hateful acts by others)… but I also know too many outright obnoxious gay/lesbians who I truly dislike because of their own bad behavior. Not supporting the agenda of the latter in no way is being anti-gay/anti-lesbian.
misjustice on June 12 at 9:26 a.m.
Yes, progress has been made since Stonewall, we’ve come a long way since June 28, 1969; but we still have a long way to go.
effrepublicans on June 12 at 10:26 a.m.
@Hawken… Ahh yes, another fine example of the crap you put out. You really are messed-up in the head if you believe that the The National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality is actually a credible source. Here is some good background reading for you in regards to one of the founders of the organization you believed was a good source of information:
“Once my patients have achieved an insight into these dynamics - and realized there is no moral fault involved in their longtime and mysterious need - they have moved rather quickly on the road to recovery.” - Charles Socarides - cofounder
Or this article: http://www.nytimes.com/1995/12/24/us/an-analyst-a-father-battles-homosexuality.html?scp=7&sq=charles%20socarides&st=cse
And you wonder what prejudicial views he has while conducting his “research”.
Hawken, I often pitied you and your ignorant rants/raves however I have now come to view you and your like-viewing people as the very thing that is wrong with this country and world.
greenlibertarian on June 12 at 10:27 a.m.
Doesn’t matter whether it’s an inborn trait or not, though most of the evidence points to it being so.
When did I and my het friends “choose” to be het? We didn’t, it just was, as it is with gay people.
But even if it were a choice, it should still be protected from discrimination just as the choice of religion is protected from discrimination.
liberal_in_right_wing_land on June 12 at 10:31 a.m.
You know Hawken, I was waiting for your special rants of hate and there it is. As an openly gay male I am not going to get into how many things are wrong with your statement…..but lets just say EVERYTHING.
I find it truly sad, disgusting and pathetic that you have so much hate inside you for anyone who not white, straight, christian and republican.
We gay people have NEVER asked for “special” rights. That is such a stupid and ignorant thing to say, but I am not shocked it came out of someone so damn hateful and ignorant. Gay people have and will ONLY ask to be treated EQUALLY, like you are treated or anyone other lily white man like you is treated.
You can post all the links you want saying homosexuality is not a choice, but sorry…..I am not even going to waste my time posting the THOUSANDS of articles that dispute the garbage and hate you just posted. This is the internet, you can find any article from any so called “expert” saying what YOU want them to say, even if it is lies and garbage like that.
This is going to be my only reply to your hate Hawken, you can reply, yell, post more hateful articles disputing what I say, but sorry, anyone with half a brain and anyone with ANY DECENCY and heart know what you posted is crap and wrong and hateful.
Also, I have copied this post and saved it elsewhere, so if some hateful idiots choose to flag this to get it removed, I will have it re-posted within 5 minutes.
hawken on June 12 at 10:55 a.m.
Of course Liberal,,,,
Anyone who opposes the homosexual agenda is a hatemonger and homophobe.
Anyone who opposes Obama is a “racist.”
Anyone who does either of the above is a “liar.”
Hatemonger, homophobe, racist, liar…. Standard response.
Dazzeetrader11 on June 12 at 11:11 a.m.
Odd how disagrements withliberals alwys end up in empty namecalling.
Don’t agree with Obama? You’re a racist.
Don’t agree with homosexuality? You’re full of hate, etc and you’re stupid. You cannot understand “their” side of thing.
In the end though, “love them and let them know. It matters”.
You liberals should work on some of that. Hawken threatens you because what’s inside YOU. Not because of what’s inside HIM. I’d guess he has lots of love for everyone. Hawken just has some traditional ideas shared by the big majority. YOU lefties want your own world…one that exists in a small corner of society. YOU think you’re “better” and have “better” ideas. You don’t….unless you’re asked. Then you skewer the conservative, traditional viewpoint…. Probably room for both.
Think before you post. Something tells me you won’t put Hawken on his heels with empty insults or accusations in a rag of a newspaper.
james_l on June 12 at 11:21 a.m.
Here is one study that clearly demonstrates that the most virulent homophobes are latent homosexuals: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014
Here is another that demonstrates that homophobes have tendencies to be more physically aggressive against homosexuals: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11261393
I don’t believe that everyone who is against homosexuality is a violent, latent homosexual, but studies such as the ones above and the actions of people such as Mark Foley, Ted Haggard, Larry Craig, Jim West, and others clearly demonstrate tendencies in that direction.
liberal_in_right_wing_land on June 12 at 11:42 a.m.
Dangit, I said I wouldn’t reply to him, but then Dazzee chimes. Errr…..I have to.
I never once have said if you disagree with Obama your a racist or if you don’t agree with homosexuality you are a full of hate. HOWEVER, I did say that about you TWO because all you have to do is re-read your past posts (did you know know that everyone can read what you posted from months ago) and see you two have a very obvious hatred of anyone who doesn’t fit your views of the white, christian conservative way. Sorry and I know for a fact more people agree with me on that than don’t.
Also, Dazzee, yes, I will attack your so-called “traditional” conservative views when they have been proven to be false and/or flat out lies. Hawken if FLAT OUT LYING when he says gay people are seeking “special” rights, we are not, we are seeking EQUAL RIGHTS. What is a “special” right we are demanding that is not given to normal, straight, white people? Its a shame you two cannot figure out what the difference is between “special” rights and EQUAL rights.
Also, sorry, but it is also been proven to be a FLAT OUT LIE, that homosexuality is a choice. Sorry, I did not wake up one day and say “I am going to be gay!” No, I never choose to be gay so I can have a large portion of the population hate me, degrade me, despise me me, and threaten me. I didn’t choose to be gay so I can have people like you and Hawken tell me my life not as good as theirs or I am less than they are because I am gay. I didn’t choose to be gay so I can live my life worrying about people who want to beat me or even kill me just because of who I choose to sleep with. Do you have to worry EVERY SINGLE DAY if this is the day someone beats the crap out of you or tries to kill you because your gay? NO, YOU DONT!
Sorry, I did not choose one day to be gay, just like you and Hawken and every other straight person did not wake up one day and decide to be straight.
Please, Dazzee and Hawken, tell me what day it was that you both choose to be straight and not gay? When did you both make that choice? And do you have to struggle EVERYDAY to fight the urge to sleep with the same sex since you are still choosing to be straight and not gay? How tough is that urge telling you to choose to be gay?
MrBloggy on June 12 at 11:50 a.m.
Hawken’s true struggle
is not with hetero
nor homosexuals
it is the simple
enduring fact
he cannot find
another to be
a Hawkensexual
please
refrain from
directing him to
“get a grip”
it only reminds him
of his pain.
detroitdude on June 12 at 11:53 a.m.
Well said, Liberal. Could not have stated it better myself as far as your reasoning on whether being gay is a “choice”. It’s not, it’s the way you are born.
Signed,
a straight guy who was born that way
Dazzeetrader11 on June 12 at 12:03 p.m.
OK all you scientists….where’s the “gay” gene?
Liberal..you won’t change anything by doing the “liberal attack” thingie. Never works.
liberal_in_right_wing_land on June 12 at 12:19 p.m.
Dazzee, again showing your ignorance and stupidity, its not an “liberal attack” its my life, I am defending my life. My life and lifestyle have NOTHING to do with politics.
But since you brought it up, its a shame your party and conservatives have turned it into a political issue with the whole gay marriage thing in the 2000 and 2004 elections just to get conservatives to vote for an idiot cause they knew that had no other way of winning. I might add most people who pushed that agenda are now in favor of gay marriage now, including Dick Cheney and company.
Also, you never answered my question. When was it you choose to be straight since you say this is all a choice? When was it you decided that you will sleep with only the opposite sex?
misjustice on June 12 at 12:57 p.m.
@ Mr. Bloggy, “Hawkensexual”? Now that’s a truly scary thought!
The trolls just like to yank your chain, Liberal…they say things just to stir the pot and then sit back and enjoy the fruits of their labor…they say junk that they could never and would never say to your face, just because on the internets they can hide.
Try and focus on the people that support equality for everyone and how far the GLBT community has progressed since Stonewall; let the trolls play with eachother, under the bridge. Where they belong…their kind are dying out and are being replaced with progressives which will help to advance equal rights for EVERYONE; not just white, anglo-saxon, males.
Pretty soon, the WA-SMs will be the minority…not soon enough for me but soon. Maybe that’s what really bugging them?
detroitdude on June 12 at 1:07 p.m.
“Your chosen lifestyle, Your chosen lifestyle, Your chosen lifestyle etc”
@ Hawken: Yeah, just keep believing that lil buddy, whatever helps you sleep at night. Yo do realize you are an ignorant and bigoted person, don’t you?
detroitdude on June 12 at 1:11 p.m.
Should read “you”*….also that’s not a personal attack, your postings speak for themselves.
hawken on June 12 at 1:16 p.m.
Misjudgment:
If you or anyone else can answer my question above with intellectual integrity, I will convert and become an evangelist to add homosexuality to the protected status that blacks and other minors have under reason and under law.
detroitdude on June 12 at 1:19 p.m.
Hawken: Because being gay is how you are born. You DON’T have a choice in it, the same as no one has a choice what color their skin is. You need to let go of this nonsense that it is a “chosen” lifestyle. You didn’t choose to be straight, you just are. Why is it so hard for you to wrap your mind around the fact that someone else can be born different than you?
detroitdude on June 12 at 1:27 p.m.
Hawken said: “Why should homosexuals be given the same protected status as blacks? Whom were born black. Who had no choice in the race of their birth and whom were brutalized in the past history of this nation?”
So what you are saying here is that homosexuals HAVE NOT been segregated, persecuted, denigrated, maligned, shunned, tortured, and killed since the beginning of recorded history?
liberal_in_right_wing_land on June 12 at 1:31 p.m.
Hawken, your post above is the most bigoted thing I think has been posted on SR. I am not even going to flag it, because I want everyone to read it and see who truly hateful you are as any sane person who see what you just posted will conclude. I am not even going to waste my time replying to that hateful dribble. Instead I honestly just feel sorry for you that you live such a hateful life, must really suck going through life hating so many people.
Also, nobody needs to answer your stupid question. If so, why don’t you answer my question…..what day did you wake up and decide to be straight and decide not to sleep with other men? You say this is a choice, when did you make your choice? And by admitting this is a choice, you at one point in your life thought of actually being gay and sleeping with men, what does that say about you? That you secretly are gay maybe?
gonzomo on June 12 at 2:06 p.m.
Hawken wrote:
“Why should homosexuals be given the same protected status as blacks?”
Because the 14th amendment gives everyone equal protection under the law. What that means is that the law must apply to everyone equally.
Your other posts talk about freedom but what you really mean is freedom for people unless you are gay or smoke pot. You can’t have it both ways. Either you support freedom or you don’t. Make a choice.
The beauty of our country is that, throughout our history, individual liberty has expanded. The civil war and the civil rights movement were about expanding the boundaries of freedom. The gay rights movement is in the same tradition. The People of Washington State voted to expand rights for same sex couples just 2 years ago. We are not going to go backwards.
For the record, I am a republican and support freedom for everyone.
Hawken,I would encourage you to actually talk to a gay or lesbian person and maybe you will see that there is no agenda to turn kids into gays (or whatever you seem to think). My advice: get over it.
misjustice on June 12 at 2:10 p.m.
Hawken = gag as inapporpriate.
hawken on June 12 at 2:14 p.m.
gonzomo
Nice try… If the 14th Amendment actually does what you say, we would not even be having this debate today.
Since you are the constitutional expert on the 14th Amendment, I suggest that you file an anti-discrimination suit in the defense of homosexuality as a protected class.
Otherwise, you offer nothing more than a liberal/homosexual “Red Herring.”
Others whom are predisposed to your Red Herring will say….. “Yea! The 14th Amendment.” That’s it!
misjustice on June 12 at 2:14 p.m.
Oops! Lol!
I meant:
Hawken = flag as inappropriate.
My bad!
; )
I guess he is trying to push the boundaries, with the name calling and the other junk that passes as a contribution to the above story but it is really just inflammatory and meant to hijack ANOTHER thread; to see how much Addy, Ryan, and the rest of us will take…
He just keeps pushing, and pushing, and pushing the boundaries…
hawken on June 12 at 2:18 p.m.
gonzomo
Not all homosexuals are supportive of what the fast majority of homosexuals are attempting to do, as I describe above.
Of course, in keeping with their conviction, that their sexual preference should be a matter of the privacy of the bedroom, you will never hear their voice here.
hawken on June 12 at 2:20 p.m.
Misjudgment:
For the benefit of all, maybe you would like to itemize my “so-called” name-calling as you assert? Please.
misjustice on June 12 at 2:24 p.m.
Posts that are off-limits according to the SR’s own standards includes “content that is degrading to someone’s race, ethnicity, age, gender identity and sexual orientation.”
Every time that sqawken calls homosexuals “unnatural” or their lifestyle “unnatural” he is degrading someone’s sexual orientation…
Moderators??????
I suspect that the moderators let much of his flaming continue because the SR gets more revenue the more times a page is opened…it is in their financial interest to allow him to create a hostile thread because more people join in the fray and that generates mo $$$ for the SR…
hawken on June 12 at 2:26 p.m.
Misjudgment:
This is nothing more than your typical whining when you can’t deal with reasonable, civil discussion, using acceptable terms of the day.
hawken on June 12 at 2:32 p.m.
Misjudgment;
Sorry, I failed to point out to you that leading homosexual researchers and advocates also define homosexuality and lesbianism as unnatural.
See my first post above since you apparently don’t notice what has been posted previously.
detroitdude on June 12 at 2:40 p.m.
Well, Hawken…first of all, citing “The National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality” is not a valid source, it is biased, and has a preconceived opinion.
“In recent years, however, even homosexual researchers and philosophers are beginning to admit that there is no such thing as a “gay gene” that predisposes homosexuals to engage in sodomy.” Let me clue you in on something, most homosexual couples do not even engage in sodomy. If by sodomy you mean anal intercourse. The majority of “sodomy” that takes place happens between heterosexual couples.
hawken on June 12 at 2:47 p.m.
Detroit:
Far be it from me to dictate how an adult man and woman, or an adult man and man, or an adult woman and woman, choose to have sex in the privacy of their own bedroom, assuming they are consenting adults.
That is totally not what we are discussing here.
We are discussing Gay Rights Parades and the political agenda of homosexuals, omnipresent in the public arena at all levels.
flutieflakes on June 12 at 2:48 p.m.
Hawken pens a damn essay everytime homosexuality is mentioned. Methinks he’s the one with the “agenda”. Whatever. I would be surprised if Hawken has even met a real gay person, living in his cave. And if he has, I’m sure that gay person hates him just as much as Hawken hates the gay dude. Hawken is an embarrassment to himself & anything he says with the potential to not be stupid is instantly drowned in the rest of the stupid crap he says. Congratulations on sucking harder than anyone has sucked before. You’ve earned it.
detroitdude on June 12 at 2:55 p.m.
Hawken, these are from your own sources. You have to be a big boy sometimes and admit it when you are wrong. There is no “homosexual agenda” other than total equality.
hawken on June 12 at 2:59 p.m.
Flutie: Is there a tall “Weiner” trophy that comes with that distinction? Named after Anthony Weiner, of course.
Just curious. If it’s not “gold plated,” “solid gold’ or perhaps “solid silver,” thanks, but I’ll pass.
Scoutster on June 12 at 3:01 p.m.
Anybody’s mind get changed?
misjustice on June 12 at 3:40 p.m.
Nope!
I haven’t changed my mind; I still like gay guys more than I like hawken…
Shazamm on June 12 at 3:47 p.m.
These quotes by Chuck Colson express it perfectly:
To be wise is to know reality — physical and moral — and to live according to that reality.There is a physical order to the Universe, and homosexuality is not it.
So libs and gay mafia activists, do you have any worthwhile rebuttals or shall I just expect intellectually lazy and emotionally constipated ad hominen cheap shots?
detroitdude on June 12 at 3:55 p.m.
Apparently Chuck Colson is just as ignorant as you and Hawken :)
woamike on June 12 at 4:04 p.m.
Like every other human being in the USA, gays ALREADY have equal RIGHTS. What they lack is equal privilege {marriage for example}. This, along with universal acceptance is what they seek. This is and has always been the Holy Grail. The talk of rights is a smoke screen, as these they already have. Marriage, BTW, is not a right, it is a society sanctioned privilege with many restrictions and requirements. You can’t marry your sister for example.
I have no personal beef w/ anyone who says they are gay and claims they were born that way or otherwise. I certainly don’t hate them. In fact, I consider them my brothers and sisters like I do everyone else.
My beef is with anyone or institution that seeks to normalize, rationalize or promote homosexuality. This stems from my belief in God and his dealings w/ mankind throughout human history. Many of you reject this way of thinking as you also reject God or seek to craft his ways to your liking. Fine. Believe as you wish, as I do.
Personally, I don’t care who or what you care to have sex with. That’s between you and the Almighty. However, I claim my right as an American to voice my opinion against the homosexual movement and what I consider to be the ill effects it has on society. This I do with no animosity in my heart.
Peace, out.
jddavis on June 12 at 4:08 p.m.
Darn it! Missed the parade….did they throw candy?
jddavis on June 12 at 4:08 p.m.
Darn it! Missed the parade….did they throw candy?
Shazamm on June 12 at 4:23 p.m.
Detroitdude, thank you. You expressed my last point perfectly. Now, second chance. Do you you have anything intelligent to say? And by the way, if you don’t know what “ad hominem” means, look it up.
nslopeofw on June 12 at 4:25 p.m.
Bottom line, if it hurts no one, why worry? Gay’s are just as human as hetro’s. I understand the reason they fight for rights, and as long as they are not killed or imprisoned, i wont join the battle. If their human rights are taken, then i will join. Some of the transgender stuff is a bit weird, but then again, who cares?
Mostly, Lib-in-right-wing-land, i think your politics are opposite of mine, but i respect your right to happiness, and if you are gay and happy, then good for you.
I know there are bigots out there, but honestly, i’ve never seen anyone actively harass a gay person. I’ve lived in two states, and thru the late sixties, and seventies, and even in the small town i grew up in, (2000 in the sixties, 3000 in the seventies) gays were excepted.
nslopeofw on June 12 at 4:26 p.m.
Oh, yeah, and who cares what the religious nuts think?
Dazzeetrader11 on June 12 at 4:29 p.m.
Shaz..if Detroit expresses any view perfectly, we’re all in serious trouble. They let this type vote too. Wahhhhhhhhhhhh……..
But where’s that “GAY” gene if this is all genetic?!??!?!?!
nslopeofw on June 12 at 4:36 p.m.
And, for all you hawken slammers going on about hate and pushing the boundaries, i bet we could get plenty of the same kind of things from you in past conversations. I think he is wrong, here, but no worse than any of you in any other subject. Lib-in-right-wing land and misjustice are notorious for throwing out the “teabagger” term.
Sexuality is not politics. It should be as separate as church and state. they are personal issues, and should be respected.
Orange on June 12 at 4:42 p.m.
and another story where Hawken talks and the regulars no longer think about what the story is about, but attack Hawken. These posts are becoming too predictable. Thanks for your insight on the story Hawken.
Scoutster on June 12 at 5:45 p.m.
Well, if you folks on the far right think Hawken is an eloquent spokesman for your point of view, may all your spokespeople be so eloquent.
greenlibertarian on June 12 at 6:52 p.m.
Exactly.
And that’s why the troll, and all trolls, SHOULD BE IGNORED!
Diana on June 12 at 7:04 p.m.
Misjustice, I gagged anyway.
greenlibertarian on June 12 at 7:16 p.m.
http://www.worldpolicy.newschool.edu/globalrights/sexorient/1994-0713-goldwater.html
Providing_Buttonholes on June 12 at 7:17 p.m.
I dont have a problem with them being gay. My problem is them flaunting it like its a red badge of courage or something special. It doesnt matter if its heteros or homos humping in the park, either one is bad taste.
I’m waiting for the sex with animals rights group to rear their ugly heads….and after that the onasm groups want to do it in public because like breast feeding… “its natural”.
So when is the non-gay pride parade gonna be held?
You know that equal rights thing should be equal for everyone, not just gays.
eagleproducer on June 12 at 7:20 p.m.
button: “That” parade was a few weeks ago. You know, the one where we celebrate our capacity to kill people world wide?
greenlibertarian on June 12 at 7:29 p.m.
http://www.newsweek.com/2010/01/08/the-conservative-case-for-gay-marriage.html
It is in NO WAY a conservative value to be against EQUAL RIGHTS for gay people.
It is in fact, it’s ANTI-AMERICAN to be against equal rights for gay people.
Young people support gay marriage 3-1, and a majority of Americans, according to several polls, now support gay marriage.
It’s only a matter of time before the bigots wise up, or die off, or get the hell out of my country.
greenlibertarian on June 12 at 7:35 p.m.
Oh, and by the way, hundreds of thousands of gay people have celebrated same-sex marriage, and before God and everybody, been going on for decades, whether recognized by the state or not.
The Metropolitan Community Church has been performing gay marriage ceremonies since the 60’s.
http://mccchurch.org/
greenlibertarian on June 12 at 7:51 p.m.
Oh yeah, and Chuck Colson, the convicted felon, Nixon’s dirty tricks man and hatchet man, who SHOULD have served ten years, HARD TIME, for his crimes, is an idiot.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html
woamike on June 12 at 7:55 p.m.
Controversy solved!
Animals do it!
Therefore, it’s ok for humans!!
Quick, somebody tell the Man upstairs! He obviously goofed.
greenlibertarian on June 12 at 8:06 p.m.
Whiskey Hotel Yankee Tango Hotel Echo Foxtrot India X-ray Alpha Tango India Oscar November Oscar November Alpha November Alpha Lima Sierra Echo X-ray ,Charlie Uniform Romeo India Oscar Uniform Sierra Echo Hotel ?
pseeger on June 12 at 8:27 p.m.
Hawken, I’m a bit late to the party, as usual, but I couldn’t pass up the opportunity to, well, defame you. Your first post made reference to “leading homosexuals”. What exactly does that mean? Are there such beings as “leading heterosexuals”? And in Providing Buttonholes, it seems you may have found a partner! But not in a gay way.
pseeger on June 12 at 8:29 p.m.
It just occurred to me that I may have been guilty of flaming in my last post. How ironic, eh, Hawken?
misjustice on June 12 at 8:39 p.m.
^ Don’t take the flame bait…
; )
SGTA Alert!
misjustice on June 12 at 8:44 p.m.
Anyone and Everyone is airing now on KSPS, channel 7.2…
A much more interesting discussion of homosexuality than this hijacked thread…you can also stream it on KSPS.org.
hawken on June 12 at 8:45 p.m.
pseeger
So do I correctly take your last post as a retreat from what you say you believe, so vehemently? Just saying, you raised “defamation of me” and then promptly retreated. A bit cowardice don’t you think?
But, no worries, you are in the company of many on this web site.
misjustice on June 12 at 8:46 p.m.
^ Flame bait alert!
Squid on June 12 at 8:47 p.m.
It’s natural for some people to be attracted to children and animals. It’s not a choice, right?
Those people that are attracted to children and animals should, by your arguments, have equal rights too.
It’s only fair.
By the way…. The Tony awards have turned into a gay parade. Thanks, from all of us heteros for that to be forced on us, if we choose to watch it. How did this happen?
misjustice on June 12 at 8:49 p.m.
Because gay guys know how to dress, sing, act, and decorate! Unlike most straight guys!
Just sayin’…
; )
jddavis on June 12 at 8:55 p.m.
GreenLib—
Bravo Zulu!
hawken on June 12 at 8:56 p.m.
Misjudgment:
I find this discussion on homosexuality to be very interesting.
At least you get a straight forward opposing viewpoint here unlike KSPS.
liberal_in_right_wing_land on June 12 at 9:02 p.m.
You cannot change stupid.
detroitdude on June 12 at 9:02 p.m.
“At least you get a straight forward opposing viewpoint here unlike KSPS.”
Correction, we get treated to the right wing whacko viewpoint demonstrating how very ignorant some of us choose to remain.
johnclarke on June 12 at 9:04 p.m.
OMG the Spokesman Review has a disease, and it’s name is Hawken. Hawken, you are a non stop posting machine, and that is not a good thing. I suggest you examine your life. I can’t stand reading your constant non stop DRIVEL.
What a shame, this used to be an interesting place to discuss and post, but you have essentially ruined it.
greenlibertarian on June 12 at 9:04 p.m.
Ted Olson and Barry Goldwater were more of real men that these idiot anti-gay bigots on this thread. Olson or Goldwater would have said to these bigots, after explaining their position, “Wanna step outside, you bigoted punk?”
greenlibertarian on June 12 at 9:08 p.m.
misjustice on June 12 at 8:49 p.m.
Because gay guys know how to dress, sing, act, and decorate!
And that, in it’s entirety, is the “gay agenda”. Period.
hawken on June 12 at 9:11 p.m.
Liberal: Not true!
Reagan changed from stupid to become the most popular, beloved and effective president in modern history!
Prior to his ascendency to greatness, he was a liberal left, Hollywood, union president. Can you believe that?
Believe me, Reagan proves that stupid can in fact be changed.
Squid on June 12 at 9:12 p.m.
The last four posts are “stupid,” “right wing whacko… ignorant,” “disease…. drivel…..ruined,” and “bigots….. Wanna step outside, you bigoted punk?”
Great rebuttals!
Misjustice, you forgot that we don’t know how to dance, as a rule, either.
james_l on June 12 at 9:13 p.m.
SGTA, with a very high IHS score (Adams, et al, University of Georgia, 1996).
We all know what that correlates to!
He should be thanking all the “gay evangelists” on here for lending a helping hand (metaphorically of course!)
gonzomo on June 12 at 9:14 p.m.
It seems that Hawken’s mind won’t be changed. For what it’s worth, here’s a video from those wacky left wing pinkos at the Cato Institute:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWp79jvy9aA&feature=channel_video_title
hawken on June 12 at 9:16 p.m.
Clarke: How many time must I warn you about trying to swim in the deep end of the pool? Where is your life preserver?
Dazzeetrader11 on June 12 at 9:18 p.m.
Could be greenie. Could be. Ms J isn’t making much sense, headway or logic. Her positions are all what Oprah watchers do. Not much.
It’s fine to be having some gay rights. Just like it’s fine to dance around a stewpot. Offends a few but since it’s only a big deal in some minds, it matters not.
james_l on June 12 at 9:25 p.m.
It is indeed a good thing that “t’s fine to dance around a stewpot” in Dazee’s case.
Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn, and caldron bubble.
hawken on June 12 at 9:27 p.m.
gonzomo
Once you or anyone else, can prove there is such a thing as a “homosexual gene,” that homosexuals are born homosexual just as blacks are born black, I will sprint to defend the rights of homosexuals as a member of the “Protected Classes,” according to the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
Until then, count me your opponent.
greenlibertarian on June 12 at 9:29 p.m.
There is no way on God’s green earth I could choose to be gay. None.
Offer me 50 million dollars, torture me to near death, put me on a deserted island with only gay folk, and I still wouldn’t, couldn’t be gay. (Although under extreme duress of torture, I might say “I’m gay”, just so they don’t put electrical shock devices on my testicles for the 148th time. That’s what happens when you torture people, they’ll say ANYTHING to make the torture stop.) I am attracted to women, and am in a committed relationship with a “girl” I’ve loved since high school, decades ago.
For those who are gay, you deserve EQUAL treatment and EQUAL rights under the law, and to the extent you are happy in your same-sex relationship, that’s awesome, I celebrate you.
I’m not ever going to be same-sex attracted, that’s the way God made me, and that’s the way God made gay people same-sex attracted, and God (not talking about religionists here) doesn’t make mistakes. Yeah, that’s right, bigots, God created EVERYBODY, including Adam and Eve, and Adam and Steve.
You don’t like that? Take it up with The Lord then, and watch out for being smitten off the face of the earth for your bigotry.
http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.com/
Squid on June 12 at 9:35 p.m.
Seems to me that Jesus had a problem with those who choose to be deviants. Where do you think the term sodomy comes from?
hawken on June 12 at 9:35 p.m.
Greenie:
I’m thinking you might have a bit of a problem here.
God designed and created a man and a woman and gave them each a very strong sexual desire for each other for the purpose of “pro-creation” and intimate pleasure that is a gift to men and women.
To assert that God is the author of homosexuality is not only a blatant misrepresentation of the facts, it is blasphemous.
pseeger on June 12 at 9:39 p.m.
Hawken, you’re as stupid as you are bigoted. Back off from you? Don’t flatter yourself.
pseeger on June 12 at 9:41 p.m.
Hawken, read your Lady Gaga: “God makes no mistakes.”
hawken on June 12 at 9:43 p.m.
pseeger
Those are deep thoughts that I will probably have to ponder for weeks. On the other hand, I might be able to assess their gravity in a matter of minutes….. OK,,,, pondered and assessed.
greenlibertarian on June 12 at 9:44 p.m.
Squid on June 12 at 9:35 p.m.
Seems to me that Jesus had a problem with those who choose to be deviants. Where do you think the term sodomy comes from?
They made a song about it.
It’s called “In The Navy”, Seaman squid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InBXu-iY7cw
The only traditions of the Royal Navy are rum, sodomy and the lash. - — Churchill’s assistant, Anthony Montague-Browne said that although Churchill had not uttered these words, he wished he had.
http://www.winstonchurchill.org/learn/speeches/quotations/quotes-falsely-attributed
hawken on June 12 at 10:01 p.m.
Sorry my friends. As much as I would like to continue this invigorating discussion, it’s my bedtime.
Plus, I have a new, 8 week old, rescued, pound puppy that needs to be put in her kennel for nighty-night as well. See you all tomorrow as much as possible. Tomorrow, I have a very busy day.
greenlibertarian on June 12 at 10:04 p.m.
Ted Olson, the man I quoted above regarding “The Conservative Case for Gay Marriage”, served in the Reagan administration, and as
GWB’s Solicitor General.
His conservative credentials are absolutely beyond reproach. Federalist Society, all of it.
His WIFE was killed on 9/11 as she was on American Airlines Flight 77 that crashed into the Pentagon.
I DARE any of you bigots to challenge his support for gay marriage. You wouldn’t last 5 seconds with him.
Being against gay rights and gay marriage is the FURTHEST thing from being a conservative.
Then again, Jesus preached dozens of times against hypocrites, and said next to nothing about same sex relations.
Do the math.
greenlibertarian on June 12 at 11:16 p.m.
Argument OVER, the bigots lose, BIG TIME.
maddog on June 12 at 11:30 p.m.
I am so tired of this argument…sex drives this world…whether for procreation, or pleasure…SEX SELLS! Take that to Wall Street, put that in your pipe and smoke it…as unrealistic as it is.
maddog on June 12 at 11:44 p.m.
@pseeger…your lady gaga comment shows your youthfullness, she/he is not an artist, but a performer, where will that dance music be in 50 years? Long live ROCK!
pseeger on June 13 at 8:10 a.m.
63’s still youthful, maddog? Thanks for the compliment! And I’ll rock your ass under the table. Long live rock!