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Global warming heats up Inland NW ag research
Curt Acuff spreads herbicide in a wheat stubble field in the Reardan area Monday. Farmers and scientists from Washington, Idaho and Oregon will participate in a $20 million, five-year study of climate change and its potential effect on the Northwest wheat industry.
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The Inland Northwest has been going through one of its coolest and wettest springs ever while farmers and scientists are convening this week to launch a $20 million research program on climate change.
Nearly 100 researchers and farmers from across the region met Monday at the University of Idaho, where the five-year research program is getting under way. They want to learn new ways to adapt farming to a warming climate.
“Climate change is one of the challenges that faces the sustainability of agriculture in this region,” said UI professor Scott Eigenbrode, who is leading the project.
Funding for the Regional Approaches to Climate Change project comes from the U.S. Department of Agriculture.
Temperatures in the Inland Northwest are already up about 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit on average in the past century, and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is predicting that the temperature will increase another 3.6 degrees by 2050, Eigenbrode said.
Winter precipitation is predicted to increase by 5 percent, but summer rainfall could drop by 5 to 20 percent, he said.
Warmer summer temperatures could spell problems for grains and other crops that will face increased heat and water stress.
“Applying the best science in partnership with the agriculture industry here is prudent,” said Eigenbrode, a plant entomologist.
There is a risk that pests such as the cereal leaf beetle, Hessian fly and aphids could worsen with a warmer climate, he said. Pathogens carried by aphids might also be aggravated.
The barley yellow dwarf virus so far has not been a problem in this region, Eigenbrode said.
Only a small portion of the project is aimed at studying pests. The funding also will go into studying cropping systems, soil conservation, weed infestation and soil fertility.
The project team includes more than 30 scientists from UI, Washington State University and Oregon State University.
Sales of cereal grains were worth $1.5 billion to the Pacific Northwest economy in 2009 and accounted for 13 percent of the nation’s wheat crop, according to the project.
The project builds on earlier work done through the Climate Friendly Farming project at WSU as well as the Solutions to Environmental and Economic Problems involving the three universities over the past four decades.
The latter project has promoted seed drilling to reduce soil erosion. It also allows carbon to be reintroduced to the soil, thereby reducing carbon dioxide in the air, a chief component of global warming.
Dick Wittman, a farmer in Culdesac, Idaho, east of Lewiston, is serving on an advisory committee for the research project. He also is a founding member and director of the Pacific Northwest Direct Seed Association. He has worked on agriculture issues on a national scale.
“Many are in denial that climate change is even a reality and many more argue about what is causing it,” Wittman said Monday in an email. “Scientific studies conclusively show increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere that can’t be ignored,” he said.
Commodity research groups are already looking for ways to make wheat more tolerant of higher summer temperatures.
Wittman called the USDA grant “a welcome and timely opportunity.”
Most of the Pacific Northwest has undergone a cool, wet spring following a winter that brought above-normal precipitation as a result of La Niña cooling in the tropical Pacific.
The 3.25 inches of precipitation in Spokane in March was the third wettest March on record. April was the second coldest on record in Spokane, with an average temperature of 41.5 degrees.
And the first day this spring to reach 60 degrees in Spokane was April 24 – the latest date on record.
The number of “growing degree days” – a measure of plant growth – was less than half of normal in Spokane from March 1 through May 7.
Professor Bob Quinn at EWU said a cold water pool off the West Coast has contributed a more northwesterly storm track out of the Gulf of Alaska. He said the cold water pool is breaking up and expects late spring and summer to bring more normal weather.
Karin Bumbaco, assistant Washington state climatologist, said researchers are examining the possibility that global warming is accelerating the occurrences of severe weather around the globe. She pointed to drought and fires in Texas and the Southeast this year as examples.
“Just because you have a cool April doesn’t disprove global warming,” Bumbaco said.
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Dazzeetrader11 on May 10 at 1:03 a.m.
Doesn’t seem warmer or less snow in WInter to me anyway. Certainly with the late start to warm or hot SUmmmerdays, it’s not hotter either.
SOmetimes I wonder where these climate types get their numbers. I remember in the 79’s and early 89’s when the same groups were worried about global cooling.
Believe your eyes. I do. It’s cooler and wetter in every season as far as I can tell.
Snow is plentiful everywhere I go. ( I ski a lot). Spring is wet and not hotter WInter seems back to what it used to be. Summer is shorter and not as hot. Makes me wonder if this isn’t just a big hype.
The east is colder and more snow than ever. S Cal is wetter than ever and cooler. The midwest is still harsh in Winter and Spring.. Just doesn’t seem right…this “warming” the community tries to confirm. Makes me wonder as did Marvin Gaye “What’s going on”?
Dazzeetrader11 on May 10 at 1:12 a.m.
something to think about.
http://www.isthereglobalcooling.com/
Charlie on May 10 at 8:13 a.m.
You wondered where they get their numbers, could be they make them up as needed! Follow the money.
greenlibertarian on May 10 at 8:17 a.m.
Flat earthers appear right on cue.
Ninch on May 10 at 8:22 a.m.
NW agricultural research is an ongoing enterprise (look at all of our land grant universities here in NW) and should be supported because it is in our best economic interests. I think we should pay attention to our regional climates and mitigate for such instead of thinking and trying to “act on global warming”… an impossible task. I cannot emphasize enough how regions should prepare and modify for climate warming (or cooling) because the earth has warmed and cooled for numerous times forever and humans have had to adapt or perish (e.g. Greenland).
Coffee on May 10 at 8:41 a.m.
greenlibertarian: I am shocked that you believe the earth is flat. That the earth is round is a proven scientific fact not a theory. I guess that is why some of your comments seem a little hair brained at times.
hawken on May 10 at 8:45 a.m.
Dazzee
Your “global cooling” link is quite informative.
Radical Environmentalists will never consider, let alone concede to such facts and that climate changes have been cyclical for aeons before the Industrial Revolution.
Here’s another link:
Dazzeetrader11 on May 10 at 9:11 a.m.
Hawk…when your experience with your own two eyes doesn’t match up with what the science people TELL you to think, it’s best to reassess. It’s not the “flat earth” insults that endure. It’s the truth that endures.
cdabornandraised on May 10 at 9:12 a.m.
Google “The Maunder Minimum” and you will see that our sun is telling us to get ready for another “Little Ice Age”!
I love how “global warming” has been changed to “climate change” … what a joke! Does anyone know what Agenda 21 is?
Anyone think it’s weird that Bill Gates has all of his money into Geoengineering right now? I wish he would fix the lag on my x-box before trying to control the earth’s weather.
http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/
MrNatural on May 10 at 9:29 a.m.
Boy…talk about yer armchair condescension…Seems to me that the science of farming is not taking a blind eye (or brain) to the consensus that climate change can have a devastating impact. Smart folks those farmers…
spokesfolk on May 10 at 10:32 a.m.
Follow the money. When farmers and ski areas,
(people dependent on knowledge of weather patterns), believe
in being prepared for global warming, shouldn’t we all?
effrepublicans on May 10 at 10:49 a.m.
@Hawken/Dazzeetrader11… Did you even bother to read the links you posted and actually look up both the authors and the sources they rely on? They are both a joke!! Over half of the sources provided by “Is There Global Cooling” website are inaccurate, or are linked with articles that actually support global climate change. Oh, by the way did you even bother to google the author “Geoff Pohanka”? Click on his “about the author” and there isn’t anything about him. Nothing about his credentials as a scientist or anything. But if you actually do some research you find that he is the president of the Pohanka Automotive Group of new car and truck dealerships. You kind of question the scientific opinions of a person who has no science background and sells cars (which by the way contribute to global climate change). Thats not even disclosed in his bio. You wonder why???
And if you do a bit more research you come across this article written by someone who actually has some training in the subject of discussion “http://scienceblogs.com/islandofdoubt/2009/01/dear_john.php” The key part is: “The author, Geoff Pohanka, conflates US and global temperature records and misrepresents the science of sunspot cycles, among other things. Indeed, the notion that solar cycles are too blame has been debunked so often it is hard to pick the best reference to draw to your attention. Here is one by Gavin Schmidt, who works for NASA.”
Seriously, you guys would learn by now to actually fact check the crap you put out there. At least make it appear that you are educated.
johnclarke on May 10 at 10:51 a.m.
Why no spokesfolk, because leading scientists like Daisy and Hawken are here to tell us that global warming simply does not exist. Don’t forget the nobody bloggers too. That should be enough to convince anyone.
Personally I think anyone that denies global warming should be moved to one of the islands in the South Pacific that is disappearing.
liberal_in_right_wing_land on May 10 at 10:53 a.m.
Farmers, which are usually safe republican votes, are now even believing in global warming.
This isn’t a right or left issue, its a issue between people with a brain and people without.
hawken on May 10 at 11:04 a.m.
Answer: NO
Short term, changing weather patterns are normal, hot/cold, wet/dry. Also called “El Nino,” and “El Nina.”
“Global Warming” is a natural cycle of the earth, just like the coming “Global Cooling.” Both have been going on for aeons.
The Sun and Volcano eruptions have an exponentially greater impact on our environment than man ever has or ever will. Obviously, we can control neither of these.
Man doesn’t cause either one, “Global Warming” or “Global Cooling” and man cannot prevent either one.
Obviously, you didn’t take the time to read the excellent links above which show we are entering a “Global Cooling” cycle.
Now, all of the above is not to say that we should not try to adapt to the natural, cyclical changes in climate.
Your Non sequitur in attaching the two different issues.
greenlibertarian on May 10 at 11:10 a.m.
The Department of Defense, and the multi-trillion dollar insurance industry recognize the threats posed by AGCC.
The modern day Luddites do not.
Dazzeetrader11 on May 10 at 11:12 a.m.
Which farmers liberal? How many? I bet your statement cannot be proven.
What the left believes is what they WANT to believe. For politics…they dream about an alternative reality. In this case though,nobody knows the truth. Only indicators. No truth known yet. This one fact that “nobody knows” should not lead to a policy.
Clarkie…you might be surprised but I have publsihed extensively is hard core science journals. My background is in science. This is why I’m supporting gene labs. I have this stem cell line that will change a lot of things…I employ people to develop the science of it. You should be happier Clarkie…
Now, we’re working on some humoral messengers to activate some of the lines you have in your body now. In your case they’re worn out…they do that with aging. I’m trying to wake them up. Seems to be working well……..just an FYI. My first cliente is none other than………;) Smile more Clarkie..it helps;)
hamrsrscarry on May 10 at 11:22 a.m.
Global climate change is a scientific certainty. Unassailable. No point in playing pattycake w these trolls who choose to live in ignorance and denial. Put these fools on an ice floe w a starving polar bear.
hawken on May 10 at 11:24 a.m.
A Brief History of Ice Ages and Warming
Global warming started long before the “Industrial Revolution” and the invention of the internal combustion engine. Global warming began 18,000 years ago as the earth started warming its way out of the Pleistocene Ice Age— a time when much of North America, Europe, and Asia lay buried beneath great sheets of glacial ice.
Earth’s climate and the biosphere have been in constant flux, dominated by ice ages and glaciers for the past several million years. We are currently enjoying a temporary reprieve from the deep freeze.
Approximately every 100,000 years Earth’s climate warms up temporarily. These warm periods, called interglacial periods, appear to last approximately 15,000 to 20,000 years before regressing back to a cold ice age climate. At year 18,000 and counting our current interglacial vacation from the Ice Age is much nearer its end than its beginning.
Global warming during Earth’s current interglacial warm period has greatly altered our environment and the distribution and diversity of all life. For example:
Approximately 15,000 years ago the earth had warmed sufficiently to halt the advance of glaciers, and sea levels worldwide began to rise.
By 8,000 years ago the land bridge across the Bering Strait was drowned, cutting off the migration of men and animals to North America.
Since the end of the Ice Age, Earth’s temperature has risen approximately 16 degrees F and sea levels have risen a total of 300 feet! Forests have returned where once there was only ice.
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html
liberal_in_right_wing_land on May 10 at 11:33 a.m.
Thankfully there are more people in the WORLD that believe in global warming than don’t and share the ignorant views of Dazzee and Hawken, the reason so many people around the world think we Americans are a bunch of dumb idiots.
hawken on May 10 at 11:36 a.m.
Polar Bears are not threatened, their numbers have grown significantly since the 1980s.
“Starving Polar Bears” is a “Radical Environmentalist Fraud.”
johnclarke on May 10 at 11:37 a.m.
No, liberal just some of them are idiots. Unfortunately, they are idiots with access to the internet.
Surprising about Hawken though, since they should be covering all this in Community College.
hawken on May 10 at 11:39 a.m.
Well then, let’s have some of you “well informed,” “brilliant in your own eyes,” liberals respond to the facts I’ve posted.
All you’ve got is your typical name calling.
scottm on May 10 at 11:48 a.m.
Watch the language, please, or we’ll shut this down. Just deleted one comment that crossed the line.
gmorton on May 10 at 11:51 a.m.
Mike Prager wrote,
“Temperatures in the Inland Northwest are already up about 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit on average in the past century . . .”
That is false. Temps in Washington State have increased about 0.6 degrees F over the last century.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/time-series/index.php?parameter=tmp&month=4&year=2011&filter=12&state=45&div=0
Temps for Spokane have increased 0.13 degrees F in the last century.
http://www.appinsys.com/GlobalWarming/climgraph.aspx?pltparms=GHCNT100AJanDecI188020100900101AR42572785003x
Temps for stations within 2 degrees (lat/lon) of Spokane have increased about 0.57 degrees F in the last century.
(That URL is too long, but you can plot it with the above link)
None of those trends are statistically significant.
liberal_in_right_wing_land on May 10 at 11:53 a.m.
scottm - my comment was the one deleted and I said nothing in there bad and never have typed dirty bad language on a public forum…..so getting a little happy with the trigger finger there or is the moderator a global denier and the comment just struck the wrong cord?
detroitdude on May 10 at 11:54 a.m.
@ Hawken/Dazzee: Still waiting for you to respond to the thorough debunking effrepublicans gave you at 10:49am.
……..Crickets chirping……..crickets chirping……..
Game, set, and match I’m afraid.
hawken on May 10 at 12:03 p.m.
All effrepublicans did was trash the one author, ignoring the facts, all the while ignoring the multiple other links I posted, all of which arrive at the same conclusion.
clbiel on May 10 at 12:11 p.m.
hamrsrscarry:
“Global climate change is a scientific certainty.”
Agreed. There is a 100% certainty that the globe’s climate will change.
hawken on May 10 at 12:21 p.m.
Let me try to make this more simple and summarize what I’ve posted above:
1- Radical Environmentalists: Man is the cause of global warming.
Facts: Global Warming cycles have been going on for aeons.
2- Radical Environmentalists: Global Warming is killing the polar bears.
Fact: Polar Bears are experiencing a population explosion, increasing 163% in numbers since the 1980s.
3- Radical Environmentalists: Global Warming can be reversed by man if only we will spend our national brains out on “Cap and Trade,” build more electric cars, stop drilling for oil, and on and on. Not that we shouldn’t do “some” of these things for other reasons, once they become economically feasible.
Fact: Global Warming cycles and Global Cooling cycles have been going on for aeons. Man doesn’t cause them and man cannot stop them.
Misinformation for Radical Environmentalists abounds. Note Gmorton above as another example, addend to mine above.
We can stop the natural cycles of earth, namely, Global Warming, just as effectively as we can stop the Tsunamis that recently devastated Japan.
The best we can do is adapt to them.
greenlibertarian on May 10 at 12:22 p.m.
Here’s the first clue that the denier “scientist” (Girma Orssengo) linked to above is just another agenda pusher.
Fossil fuels allowed man to live his life as a proud human.
Really, so sans fossil fuels, mankind could not live a proud human life?
Sheer idiocy.
Need more of his agenda?
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/08/matthew_england_challenges_the.php
Spoken lie a true teabagger, not a climate scientist.
hamrsrscarry on May 10 at 12:26 p.m.
Other than their overgeneralized ignorance in all things they cannot locate in under 10 minutes of obvious mouth reading in their Bibles, the deniers seem to strain awful extra hard at the science of climate change. I wondered what it was about climate change that caused those grimaces and head tilts, then … then it hit me.
It’s because the popular and electoral vote winner of the 2000 Presidential Elections, Al Gore, was the one who discovered global warming and developed the initial and still highly predictive models and simulations, and wrote the fundamental software for these robust and incredibly valid programs.
It’s rank partisanship. How silly. That’s why I again remind the progressives and those who can ride in a city bus without licking the windows and moaning - that the time to play pattycake and ring around the rosie with these icicles is over.
hawken on May 10 at 12:32 p.m.
OK, let’s talk about “Agendas.”
hamrsrscarry on May 10 at 12:36 p.m.
(AP, March 2003) Scientists at Rutgers University have taught hamsters to cut and paste articles from the internet using simple operant conditioning methods of shock avoidance, access to habitrails and hamster food pellets with special adaptive screen pointers activated by rapid and directional licking.
steptoe_fan on May 10 at 12:37 p.m.
There are research web sites that document such climate attributes such as sea levels, atmospheric temperatures ( satellite ) and solar attributes. Careful study of all of this current climate information allows one with a reasonable approach, based upon science, rather than a political agenda, to reach sound conclusions :
climate change is ongoing - it has been a feature of the planet for millions of years and will continue to be.
there is NO scientific support for the AGW claims by some here, for the terribly short period of time that humans have contributed their CO2 to the sphere.
Sea levels are by best measure, currently slowing from a rise of about 3 mm / year and recent study suggests that a significant portion of this ammount is due to surface water runoff - the humans of this planet are pumping water from the ground to support agri and domestic - this water runoff or waste has to go somewhere.
CO2 levels - well, in the short term they rise - however a careful examination of temp data from both satellite services ( RSS and UAH ) show in the most current decade, temp trendings have leveled off and may indeed be headed down.
the AGW types here should be asking NASA why it continues to allow Hansen to selectively pick surface temp data, data further compromised by increasing human heat island effects, to support supposed claims such as 2010 was the warmest year ever - when it wasn’t ! Oh, and by how much warmer was it ? Give us a number, please ?
current climate science and solar physics do support the likelihood that our planet has begun to cool - something the CO2 facists will continue to ignore, rather offer up more of their junk science. watch the planet prove them wrong and call them out !
reading their comments, as one who grew up in Spokane, only suggests that the californication of the inland empire was / is a determent to this region.
The Spokesman Review should offer a balance of articles on this subject - rather than nothing but the continued liberal agenda. The stories are available, what has happened to journalism ?
Ninch on May 10 at 12:40 p.m.
NOT “global” warming”, but rather “regional climate change.” The NW agricultural researchers are paying attention to regional climate change data to modify farming practices and not the global warming debate by extremists who use scare tactics.
Hint: One can mitigate locally/regionally to adjust to climate change…. but no way in hell can governments tax and regulate to change the environmental fact of global warming!!!
Scoutster on May 10 at 12:43 p.m.
Some things never change.
PlanB on May 10 at 1:00 p.m.
I am 100% certain that the earth will be perfectly fine even if we continue on the current trajectory of dumping toxins and pollutants into the little biosphere we live on. Sure, humans will be extinct but no-problemo for the earth.
Dazzeetrader11 on May 10 at 1:39 p.m.
Steptoe…….great post!
Nothing like a good thrashing of the fantasia leaning liberals who yell and scream but have nothing to yell and scream about.
It’s settled…there is change just not warming.
God’s rules. Not the Man’s rules.
effrepublicans on May 10 at 2:09 p.m.
@Hawken… ya, I trashed the author whom you relied on to support your viewpoint. So if the evidence you relied to support your viewpoint is pointendly false then isn’t your viewpoint flawed and should be called into serious question? Have you read any of the links or citations that the debunked author in question posed? Its a joke! If you are relying on the posting of car salesman to formulate and support your viewpoint on climate science than some serious consideration needs to be made about the strength of your arguments. The analysis that Geoff and you have done of such non peer reviewed articles is just pure bias. I find it very curious how fast you stepped away from that article and tried to move on to the Polar Bears. According to you we have it all solved now… more Polar Bears equals no global warmning. We can all rejoice except for those living on the shores of the Missippipi River… God hates you but now loves Polar Bears.
The “rational” provided by Hawken, Dazzeetrader11 and Steptoe are all classic case of cherry picking. Its particulary Hawken’s and Dazzeetrader11’s MOs. They get called out on it every time they post and they never learn from it. Then they start the name calling. Typical and predictable fashion as always.
Or how about this Hawken… just admit you cherry pick and actually never do any review of the stuff you post. You got caught with your hand in cookie jar once again. Step-up and come clean for once.
johnclarke on May 10 at 3:11 p.m.
Eff, you are dealing with a couple people who are only interested in arguing. No amount of facts or data will make any dents in those tin foil hats.
Mayocynic1 on May 10 at 3:20 p.m.
Such silliness. There is minor climate change. That’s about it!Al Gores been pushing this on the public as a complete left wing hypocrit. The science all along has been weak or non existent. It’s a money play. Billions of dollars spent or requested for nothing. Now dits just politics that may sound good or some more guilting being piles on. No substance to it though.
Climate changes year to year and in long cycles as well. Everyone knows it. No controlling it either. Man can do bad things but he cannot change the big picture of what mother nature does o compensate when she needs to.
RedCedar on May 10 at 3:53 p.m.
I’ll let everyone else argue about whether or not there is global warming, climate change, etc here. Nature, without human involvement, has no problem dealing with climate change. The climate has been changing forever, and species can usually deal with it by moving to places where the climate is to their liking. The problem is that humans have build cities, factories, homes, and farms, divided the Earth into countries, divided the countries into smaller political divisions, drawn zoning and land use maps, kept intricate records of property rights, and generally treated the Earth like it will never change. Thus, when rivers move, sea levels fluctuate, and weather patterns change, it’s hugely expensive to humans, but it’s also more destructive to other species since the little speck of land set aside for their habitat is no longer habitable to them, and the place that would have been good for them in the new climate has some man-made thing on it.
Climate change, in the absence of human civilization and infrastructure, is not an environmental problem. However to humans, it’s a huge economic problem, and with human land-use designations, it becomes an environmental problem.
Farming is just one part of the puzzle. Farmers have had to deal with climate change as long as there has been farming. Much of the time, they have failed, or they have actually caused local climate change, and once-productive land has gone to waste where nothing will grow. Modern agribusiness simply magnifies the scale of the problems, but the issue of figuring out what will be the most profitable thing to grow in a given place a the climate changes is something that farmers have always needed to do.
We’ve been fooled in recent generations by the fact that the mid-20th century was probably one of the most benign climate periods world-wide during all of human history. It was a time of consistently mild weather, few drastic storms, relatively reliable rainfall, and so on. Merely returning to a “normal” climate is a shock to an agricultural system that was built around 20th-century conditions.
I have no idea if the modeling numbers being bandied about here are realistic or not. Farmers mostly want to know what the weather will be like next year, not what the climate will be like in 20 years. This hypothetical long-term prognostication will probably seem fairly useless to practical farmers unless it can produce some reliable local predictions on a time scale of a year or two.
gmorton on May 10 at 4:28 p.m.
Correction to my post above: Temps for stations between -115 and -119 W and 46 and 49 N (the “Inland Northwest”) have increased 0 degrees F in the last century. That is the average for all 18 GHCN stations with complete records from at least 1910.
http://www.appinsys.com/globalwarming/climgraph.aspx?pltparms=GHCNT100AJanDecA188020100901801AR42572773006x42572779001x42572783000x42572783001x42572783002x42572783003x42572783004x42572783005x42572785002x42572785003x42572785005x42572786001x42572786002x42572786004x42572786005x42572786006x42572786008x42572786009x
The S-R should print a correction to Prager’s statement.
Coffee on May 10 at 5:21 p.m.
RedCedar: Well said.
jpintler on May 10 at 5:42 p.m.
hamrsrscarry,
Al Gore discovered global warming? I thought he just invented the internet! I need to quit honoring God and get on board the Al Gore train and the new idol worship scene like the rest of the sheeple. I can’t believe how ignorant I have been. But please, let’s increase the CO2 we put in the air. Fauna and flora love it. Trees eat it up like fertilizer. Just think, longer growing seasons resulting in increased crop yield and food production to meet the world’s demand. And best of all, it sounds so nice, “Ah, global warming!” Makes me want to go to the beach!
steptoe_fan on May 10 at 7:52 p.m.
yes, the CO2 is bad types respond with empty distorted echoes of current robust climate science !
what is cherry picked about 30 + years of satellite temp data ?
asked Hansen of NASA to reveal how he uses surface station temp data selectively to come up with his ‘support’ for the agenda.
ligit scientists long ago called out NASA to reveal all their surface station temp data and first coined the phrase “cherry picking” as that exactly described what Hansen et al have been doing.
now, posters here respond with same phrase, only, and offer nothing in the way of current climatic science, peer reviewed and published open.
sad - still, won’t stop the continued cooling. will make the demos look very foolish in the coming decade !
your senator, Lisa B., is going to be very embarrassed, and rightfully so !
Orphan on May 10 at 8:35 p.m.
Scottm, I really have to object to “effrepublicans” being used as a name on this sight. That is crude at the very best.
Arizonian on May 10 at 9:37 p.m.
I BELIEVE GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL! Being from Arizona, I have personally witnessed in my life the increase in temperatures and lack of precipitation there as well as everywhere in the Southwest. I just got back from there and things are definately tinder dry, worst I have ever seen. It never used to be in the 100’s in Phoenix in April.
Yes it is cool and wet here in Washington but that is one of the affects of global warming. Places that are warm and dry are getting more of that weather, while places that are typically wet and cool (like the Northwest) are going to get more of that type of weather. I spent time in Australia last year which broke all records for high temperatures. This entire last decade has been the warmest ever recorded on the planet. Russia was extremely hot as well.
I think what the local people around here don’t realize is that when scientists talk about “Global Warming”, they mean other places besides Spokane. There’s more to the world than good ol’ boy Spokane. Maybe you need to be from somewhere else to fully realize this. If you visit Arizona for a week you won’t notice because of the sterotypes of Arizona just being hot all the time. If you spend a lifetime there as I have, you would definately notice that Arizona has gradually gotten hotter.
It’s like when my friends visit Washington (Spokane), they think its always cold, cloudy and wet here. Which I’m starting to believe if it weren’t for Global Warming. According to NOAA, the sun only shines about 54% of the time here. Not much higher than Seattle at 47%. Maybe that has something to do with it as well.
eagleproducer on May 11 at 9:02 a.m.
Dazee seems to always get the “one up” on her other right wing nutter whack jobs by being the first to post her brand of nonsense on a variety of hot button issues for conservatives. I’ve concluded she is actually Betsy Cowles, a member of the Cowles Gang and sister of the publisher of this newspaper. It’s the only explanation that makes sense to me, especially when her I.P address emanates from the offices of the Spokesman Review.
I know they’ll wonder how I discovered that great tidbit of information but I am sure they have someone there that is smart enough to figure it out.
So rage on, Dazzee, errrrrrrrrrrr, Betsy. It sure looks like those six years attending undergraduate Yale certainly paid off!
eagleproducer on May 11 at 9:07 a.m.
ArizonAN: I agree that a person needs to live in a region for an extended period of time to notice patterns in the climate. Almost all of the models for global warming indicated this region would experience milder, wetter weather with an extended growing season.