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February 1, 2012 in News, City
SPD officer questioned in court about support for Thompson
A Spokane police officer who says he feared for his life after being threatened by a felon was asked in court Wednesday about supportive comments he posted on a Facebook page in support of another convicted felon – former Officer Karl Thompson.
Defense lawyer Doug Phelps questioned Officer Chris McMurtrey’s contention that 38-year-old Rudy Ray Cordova’s prior convictions for violent crimes were a cause for concern, noting that Thompson has been convicted of a violent crime, too.
Cordova is accused of threatening to kill McMurtrey during an arrest for domestic violence last year.
At Phelps’ request, McMurtrey on Wednesday read a message he’d posted on the We Support Karl Thompson page on the popular social networking site.
In the message, McMurtrey wishes Thompson a happy Veterans Day and thanks him “for his service to this great country.” “Too bad it can’t return the favor,” McMurtrey wrote. “You are inspiration to all of us. It was great to see you today.”
McMurtrey posted the message on Nov. 11 - nine days after Thompson was convicted of two federal felonies for lying to investigators and violating unarmed Spokane janitor Otto Zehm’s civil rights by using excessive force during a 2006 encounter at a convenience store. He said he and other SWAT team members chatted with Thompson when Thompson visited SWAT training that day. Thompson resigned from the police department Nov. 17 before a disciplinary hearing in which he was expected to be fired.
The public Facebook page for Thompson supporters recently was replaced with a private group in which only members can see the content.
In a hearing with the jury outside the room, Deputy Prosecutor Steve Garvin had objected to jurors being told of McMurtrey’s support for Thompson, but Phelps argued it was relevant to the credibility of the officer’s claim that he feared Cordova in part because of Cordova’s criminal convictions.
Judge Maryann Moreno agreed but restricted Phelps from mentioning Zehm’s death or getting into other details of Thompson’s case.
“It is not relevant to this case,” she said.
In testimony, McMurtrey said he never said he “feared people who have been convicted of criminal convictions.”
McMurtrey had arrested Cordova on suspicion of domestic violence assault Feb. 26 when Cordova told him, “That’s how people died, by taking the wrong people to jail…Don’t worry. I’ll get out tomorrow and find out where you guys live. I’ve been to prison,” Garvin said in court.
McMurtrey wrote in his report that he knew Cordova was a known armed criminal with an officer warning attached to his name in police records.
Phelps said the subjective nature of McMurtrey’s reported fear made the Facebook posting regarding another conviction violent criminal being his “inspiration” relevant.
“My client never tried to hit him, my client never tried to do anything to him. Mere words are what the state is relying on to prove its case,” Phelps said.
The charge against Cordova, felony harassment - threats to kill, alleges Cordova’s statements caused McMurtrey to fear for his life, and that it was reasonable to believe Cordova could carry out the threat.
McMurtrey declined comment after the hearing.
Jurors are to begin deliberating Thursday morning.
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misjustice on February 01 at 7:17 p.m.
Ohhhh, this is just the beginning of the WE HEART THOMPSON Facebook postings coming back to haunt the SPD.
I included many of them in my written complaints to the Mayor’s Office, the DOJ, the Ombudsman, the State Attorney General, and County Commissioners.
All speech may be “free” but all speech is NOT protected; as you will soon learn.
; )
D Statler on February 01 at 7:38 p.m.
Looks like a good cop in the picture. Just needs alittle better direction from the top command :^( Never too late to change our beliefs and actions. It sounds like Cordova is an accident waiting for a place to happen. It is good that our officers know about these types ahead of time. Cordova was lucky to live to cry wolf. It would be good to hear the rest of the REAL facts. He is a far cry from Otto by the sounds of things.
PlanB on February 01 at 7:49 p.m.
This is EXACTLY why the SPD needs cleaned up. Because of the SPD’s corruption and McMurtrey’s support of a criminal, he is not credible and the SPD is not a legitimate law enforcement entity.
Everyone looses. We are less safe, and the job of law enforcement is made more difficult dangerous.
ultralitigator on February 01 at 8:06 p.m.
Seems like a cheap trick that’ll likely backfire. But who knows what a jury will do.
jdspokanewa on February 01 at 8:10 p.m.
Thompson is not a hero, he is a parasite, he is the worst kind of criminal, one who pretends to be the good guy but he is not.
All officers who support the convicted felon Thompson should be fired, period, end of story.
brianrbreen on February 01 at 8:16 p.m.
@misjustice
This is a milder one from the standpoint of cross. Can you image being on the stand testifying regarding a resisting arrest case and being asked. Q: You were trained in the use of force, correct? A: Yes. Q: You were also received training from a training officer you were assigned to in the use of force and discussed it with them while you were assigned, correct? A: Yes. Q Your training officer became your mentor and you looked up the him, correct? …. Need I say more?
Warning after warning not heeded. I’m sure Phelps isn’t the only member of the Defense Bar that documented every post.
brianrbreen on February 01 at 8:18 p.m.
@ultralitigator
Spoken like a true prosecutor! :) :)
misjustice on February 01 at 8:39 p.m.
@ Brian, nope; you needn’t say more. I get it…
but does the SPD 110% 505 Gang get it?
brianrbreen on February 01 at 8:43 p.m.
@misjustice
Well they didn’t believe me, and when someone else told them it might be a good idea to get rid of it, they did, whether they get it or not…who knows…maybe they are starting to.
misjustice on February 01 at 8:49 p.m.
@ Brian, just cause their lil’ Facebook page has gone “underground” doesn’t mean that it can’t be found, read, copied, perused, and USED…if ya know what I mean?
It’s not that difficult to establish a “false” Facebook persona and get “liked”, granting full access to their musings…if you catch my drift?
Not as deep as Undercover but still Undercover…
; )
Shelala on February 01 at 8:49 p.m.
Although the public no longer has access to the KT FB support page, it would be reasonable to assume that the comments made by officers on this supposedly now closed FB group are even more outrageous because they no longer fear the wrath of public opinion. Facebook does not guarantee confidentiality and I think maybe even more comments could be subject to disclosure in the event some bright attorney sees the officer’s name on the membership list of the closed group.and seeks to call the officer’s credibility into question. I predict that the loose in-your-face comments made by some officers may be career ending.
misjustice on February 01 at 8:50 p.m.
@ Dick, doughnuts = fat pills, IMO…
; )
brianrbreen on February 01 at 8:55 p.m.
@misjustice
I’ll tell you something else that will happen, if it hasn’t already. Some slick defense attorney will be getting copies of Officer Terry Preuninger’s testimony during the Thompson trial and use that testimony not only against Preuninger if the case arises but also other officers he trained. The Zehm case will go well beyond Thompson.
jdspokanewa on February 01 at 8:55 p.m.
“underground” or not, in my opinion this group could easily be accessed with a simple subpoena if the DOJ decides that there is a conspiracy within the SPD and that Thompson supporters are forming what appears to be an organization of continuing that corruption.
Shelala on February 01 at 8:59 p.m.
BTW, Gee I bet other shady non-profits now in legal trouble, like ACORN, etc. wish they knew they could have just closed their Facebook account without having to disclose monies collected to call it a day.without all that legal hassle. Where’s the money?
misjustice on February 01 at 9:00 p.m.
@ Brian and Shelala, I’ve been a lil’ quiet on the threads involving cops lately. Not that I haven’t been reading, just refraining from commenting. I didn’t want to tip my hand…or expose my cover…or to in a rush of emotion state things that I have discovered/read.
Suffice it to say, Shelala, you nailed it in your 8:49 p.m. post. Vile; to the extreme. It makes the awarding of a Snicker’s bar look cute and innocent…to say the least.
brianrbreen on February 01 at 9:00 p.m.
@Shelala
It goes beyond the FB pages, and extends to comments made here and other blogs. A screen name means nothing and it would have behooved them to read the privacy agreements before they started moving their fingers.
misjustice on February 01 at 9:02 p.m.
“The Zehm case will go well beyond Thompson.”
As it should. But you already knew that, Brian…
; )
misjustice on February 01 at 9:04 p.m.
@ Brian, and then there’s the officers which were soooo bold that they used their real names, here, and at KXLY, and on other sites…geniuses!
brianrbreen on February 01 at 9:08 p.m.
@misjustice
Of course I do. At first I thought it was just a lack of maturity, inexperience, and stupidity. Now I’m afraid I was wrong….to much blue I quess.
Shelala on February 01 at 9:21 p.m.
@Brian and MSJustice
A badge has little meaning in cyberspace. The bloggers and posters tried to tell them in a way -even copying LE articles on the subject. The supervisors who allowed it to continue share in the blame of each officer that goes down.
IanJones on February 01 at 9:30 p.m.
That officer’s post on FB makes no difference…so WHAT if he supports Thompson…Thompson never threatened to kill that officer….besides not every convicted felon is one to be feared…for example a felon who commits a white collar crime is going to be looked at by LE differently then a “career” criminal , such as Cordova… meaning Cordova has committed NUMEROUS felonies, AND he had a “caution” label associated to his name….it’s like comparing apples to oranges…Phelps is just trying to muddy the waters for the jurors….and hopefully it doesn’t work…..
IanJones on February 01 at 9:40 p.m.
I think there are alot of conspiracy theorists on here…who think they have alot more power then they actually do…I watch these blogs…and certain people try to threaten and intimidate law enforcement officer’s with their posts…like they have “secret” information on officers, or like they have access to spokesman review accounts…..listen from just an average joe here…there are 4 or 5 people who constantly comment on here…and they just make themselves look silly…..It is hard to take certain people seriously.
misjustice on February 01 at 9:41 p.m.
“The supervisors who allowed it to continue share in the blame of each officer that goes down.”
Bingo!
I’d add, a LARGER share in the blame of EACH OFFICER THAT GOES DOWN; as leaders/supervisors they are responsible for the actions of their charges…
Just sayin’…
@ Ian, keep on believing that social media has zero ramifications; many of us are counting on that mentality to help us clean house.
Shelala on February 01 at 9:44 p.m.
I am unfamiliar with the charge of felony harassment. It seems very subjective, especially to warrant a jury trial. Fill me in?
zelda on February 01 at 9:48 p.m.
Didn’t I just see this tactic used on a TV show in the past couple of weeks? Can’t remember which one, but it aired recently. Something about making yourself a tainted witness from now on.
I bet every public defender and criminal defense attorney’s office in the area was looking at that “Support Karl Thompson” Facebook page and doing Prnt Scrn . Plenty of documentation that they consider themselves a law unto themselves.
brianrbreen on February 01 at 9:50 p.m.
@IanJones
The issue isn’t Cordova, or the validity of the charges, the issue is professionalism. Support Thompson all you want if your so inclined but if you are working for the community keep that support between you and him don’t try and through it in the face of the people you work for unless you are willing to accept the consequences. Whether mudding the waters works or not doesn’t matter, any cop with any experience knows that is what is going to happen. So if they want to make it easy for the defense then they better start learning to live with it.
The Judge, a good one, ruled on its relevance and said it was. Phelps didn’t decide, she did. So now do we blame it on the Judge, do we blame it on Phelps, and if it comes back not guilty do we blame it on the jury, or is the officer going to accept responsibility for what he did?
misjustice on February 01 at 9:55 p.m.
Brian asked, “…is the officer going to accept responsibility for what he did?”
My guess? Nope. He’ll blame everyone except himself, just as Thompson did/does…the egg doesn’t fall far from the nest.
misjustice on February 01 at 9:58 p.m.
@ Brian, your “friend” nosheet/justme09/generallyspeaking should be along soon, or at least after his shift is over, to give you a trouncing…
; )
IanJones on February 01 at 9:59 p.m.
Why do we blame anyone? We wait for the verdict…and then live with it. That is what we have a justice system for….and I didn’t say that social media did not have ramifications…I am just saying in this case….what the officer apparently posted does not seem relevant to the case at hand…..What I AM saying is that the people who constantly post on here, who THINK they have all this influence….just look silly and a bit obsessive to the general public….
brianrbreen on February 01 at 10:00 p.m.
@Shelala
It’s a gross misdemeanor for anyone other than folks in the criminal justice system, and then it is a class C felony.
zelda on February 01 at 10:03 p.m.
Yeah, the jury can decide. But there is that old saying about how can’t unring a bell. SPD could possibly be hoisted by their own petard if the jury comes back with a not guilty verdict.
brianrbreen on February 01 at 10:14 p.m.
@IanJones
You get to decide in your own courtroom whether people here “just look silly and a bit obsessive to the general public”; But Judge Moreno gets to decide in her courtroom if the FB posting was relevant and she decided it was, so its pretty hard to blame us for her decision.
silverlake89 on February 01 at 10:31 p.m.
Only on the force 3 years and already he’s been in a shooting, picked a side in the Thompson saga and had his integrity called into question on the stand. Not bad SPD. If your goal is to get newbies to completely lose their credibility as quickly as possible consider this mission accomplished. What a moron.
herewegoagain on February 01 at 10:48 p.m.
How can any law enforcement officer/officers publicly support on a social network ( FB ) a convicted felon and still be entrusted with enforcing the law.
Review their comments posted and fire them all, end of story!
BlondeSquawker on February 01 at 11:25 p.m.
Hi, MisJ. Did you get my message?
misjustice on February 02 at 7:17 a.m.
Yes, Blondie, I did.
: (
IanJones on February 02 at 8:13 a.m.
Actually I think it is up to the Jurors to decided if it is relevant…..I just know If I was sitting on the Jury….It wouldn’t be…and once again…I am not blaming anyone….sure seems like people in here want to blame someone….anyone…Seems like you have lost any objectivity…..
brianrbreen on February 02 at 8:38 a.m.
@IanJones
Yep the Jury, like you, may feel it has no weight regarding the officer’s testimony, and we shall rely upon their wisdom and objectivity in that regard. The same way many of us were willing to rely on the wisdom and objectivity of the Jury that convicted Karl Thompson.
I hope I haven’t lost my objectivity…but if you feel I have so be it. I happen to believe that SOME members of the SPD have done some very stupid things and in that regard I plead guilty.
IanJones on February 02 at 9:05 a.m.
Weather or not they have done stupid things does not mean they are not capable of doing a good job as some have indicated on here….they are human with emotions…and a right to have an opinion….as long as they continue to do their job objectively. For example….an officer might have an “opinion” on weather or not, lets say, Prostitution, is a crime….it’s fine to have an opinion, however, they should not use their opinion, to determine if a crime is being committed…. a crime is a crime, no matter what personal opinion the officer holds….It does not sound like this officer is allowing his personal opinion to determine a crime….
All I am saying is that some people on here seem to allow their personal emotions to cloud their judgment….instead of being objective. They seem to automatically think what they read in the newspaper is the whole story…..and they seem to judge an officer on what they “read”….Some are even so off topic….they resort to name calling…like a poster on her called the officer Fat…or donuts=fat pills .I see the Fat posting has now been taken off…as it should be…it is not relevant what that poster thought of the officer’s appearance and is just mean spirited….it is comments like that that make the usual posters on here look silly…and maybe a little bit unbalanced….
brianrbreen on February 02 at 9:40 a.m.
@IanJones
I don’t disagree with anything you said, and this guy may be a hell of a cop now, and in the future. Hopefully this experience will be a part of his learning curve if he is willing to take it for what it is he will be an even better cop having suffered through it.
There isn’t a cop that hasn’t said derogatory things about Judges, Juries, Defense Lawyers, Prosecutors, Other Cops, The Public, and most assuredly The Bad Guys whether they mean it or not. But when a cop is dumb enough to say it so the whole world can see, then they deserve the lesson.
IanJones on February 02 at 9:48 a.m.
What did this officer say that is derogatory? He apparently showed his support for a co-worker…and from what I understand in their profession, a co-worker is like family. Who wouldn’t show support for a family member when they believe the family member got the short end of the stick, in a politically motivated charge/conviction? I just don’t see what the issue is here…..if he believes in his family member, he shouldn’t be ashamed of it…or bullied to change it…..I just think this is much ado about nothing….
liveinfearoftheSPD on February 02 at 10:03 a.m.
@IanJones, Their opinions get people killed, their opinions cause much of the citizenry to have a negative view of the entire SPD. That, to me, is the same as running into the theater and hollering fire.
IanJones on February 02 at 10:12 a.m.
Tell me an incident where an officers “personal” opinion has got someone killed….I am not familiar with such an incident…..
brianrbreen on February 02 at 10:13 a.m.
@IanJones
Perhaps above all else, “Judgment” is the most important part of being a cop. Read his post carefully and pay special attention to what he says about our Country.
“In the message, McMurtrey wishes Thompson a happy Veterans Day and thanks him “for his service to this great country.” “Too bad it can’t return the favor,”
Beyond that, no sense in arguing, you have your position I have mine.
IanJones on February 02 at 10:16 a.m.
Not arguing with anybody. people on here seem to think a difference of opinion is “arguing”…I read the post. Still don’t see an issue….it is his personal opinion…..doesn’t affect how he does his job…
liveinfearoftheSPD on February 02 at 10:57 a.m.
Karl Thompson was of the opinion that Otto was some hardened criminal about to hurt someone. He beat him down so bad that Otto eventually died.
IanJones on February 02 at 11:09 a.m.
That is not a personal opinion….He was acting on information given to him….A robbery, by someone who may have been on drugs….the information, and his observations were of a professional opinion, by information provided to him….whether is was a true account given by the girls is not relevant….it is what was relayed to Thompson….there is a difference….therefore not a “personal” opinion……
liveinfearoftheSPD on February 02 at 11:17 a.m.
He had to form a personal opinion in order to act. His opinion was so very wrong.
IanJones on February 02 at 11:24 a.m.
So I have added my two cents….not here to argue….not here to say who is right who is wrong….it doesn’t really matter….just wanted to put an unbiased, objective, perspective on here…..something these bloggers are lacking….and therefore making their statements mute to most of the public…If you notice it is the same people blogging, over and over…and from some of their previous posts, they can’t be taken seriously.
IanJones on February 02 at 11:27 a.m.
and an example of not taking one too seriously is in your blogger handle…liveinfearoftheSPD….not really objective is it….therefore no one can really take your posts seriously….what it does is make you appear to have an agenda…..again it was not Thompson’s personal opinion….it was a professional opinion based on the totality of the circumstances……good day all….
liveinfearoftheSPD on February 02 at 11:39 a.m.
No matter what word you put in front of it, HE had to form an opinion as to how to react to the situation. It wasn’t someone else in his mind telling him what to do.
liveinfearoftheSPD on February 02 at 11:45 a.m.
BTW I would bet there is at least one person out there who takes my posts seriously. No matter the blog handle.
IanJones on February 02 at 11:49 a.m.
I just asked you to give me an example where an officer’s “personal” opinion has got someone killed…..apparently you can’t…so therefore my point is made…an officer should be able to have a a personal opinion, and it should not be held against him as long as he does his job objectively….now really…good day all gotta run…
brianrbreen on February 02 at 2:25 p.m.
@IanJones
“just asked you to give me an example where an officer’s “personal” opinion has got someone killed”
I won’t let it go, because I think it is important for people to understand how important it is. There are many cases where an officer’s personal opinion regarding the guilt or innocence of an individual has become important, there is considerable case law regarding that. If you ever had the opportunity to review death penalty cases and took a serious unbiased look at what happened maybe you would understand. As for me I do understand, by the same token I don’t understand. I don’t care how much people revered Karl Thompson, he was a train wreck waiting to happen, and most without self-serving motives could have seen that. But he wasn’t the first train wreck. There were others. What really chaps my cakes is even though some were warned, they didn’t take the time to go back and look, and to this day will stand behind him. I understand being worked, I don’t understand a lot of things including when he applied for the job and not looking at every thing, including where it would end up. IMO when Karl Thompson came on the SPD, he had one motivation, and that was to be Chief. He used whomever he could to try to accomplish that, including some really good people, who vouched for him, and he was able to rally the troops despite the fact he couldn’t pass high enough on a test. When I try and be objective, I’m sorry I can’t. Karl Thompson has hurt the SPD more than any other person I know of, and I’m convinced that history will bare that out. The worst thing that was allowed to happen was the brass allowing him in a position to take advantage. I’m willing to take the hits when most don’t have the jam to admit they were wrong.
IanJones on February 02 at 3:05 p.m.
So Brian….enlighten me on Thompson’s history..showing him to be a train wreck waiting to happen….You elude to there being things in his background showing him to be out of control, ie-train wreck waiting to happen. I mean if he was a train wreck waiting to happen….tell us about it. You surly must have something to back up that claim…..Does he have a history of disciplinary problems? excessive force? complaints? Tell me….what is it you supposedly know that no one else knows? I have googled Thompson, and I was unable to find anything showing him to be a train wreck…..I am sure you wouldn’t put anything on here you couldn’t back up…so enlighten me on your claims….maybe that would change my perspective….
IanJones on February 02 at 3:11 p.m.
and I am still waiting for someone to tell me of an incident where an officer’s “personal” opinion has got someone killed as someone claimed on here….didn’t ask about an officer’s personal opinion playing into whether or not they “thought” someone was guilty or innocent….Just asking if peole are going to post allegations on here…that they have something to back it up….and not just things they “read” about in the media….I’m looking for real knowledge….
IanJones on February 02 at 3:13 p.m.
Also I think it is important to pay attention to all of your posts Brian….In my opinion you are not objective….through all of your numerous posts, it appears you have a personal axe to grind with the police department. I am not saying that in an insultive manner, it is just my observation….
brianrbreen on February 02 at 4:18 p.m.
@IanJones
Yep you are right I wouldn’t, and you know exactly what I’m talking about. Having said that.
Show me where I’ve lost my objectivity when it comes to right and wrong. Then demonstrate to me where you are right, and I’ll listen.
The best thing to do is copy all of my posts, like some have, and just go from there. Draw your own conclusions, including the one about Hal Spice. My agenda is pretty open, nothing to lose or gain how about you? Sending me graveyard isn’t an option any more.
IanJones on February 02 at 5:05 p.m.
Brian….actually you say I know what you are talking about….I am sorry I have no clue what you are talking about…that is why I am asking……I have nothing to gain or lose….and I am still waiting for you to back up your allegations of Thompson being a train wreck….I have an open mind…I am objective enough to change my thoughts on the subject….I just need proof….not veiled innuendos…. I am not saying I am absolutely right…Im not saying the posters on here are absolutely wrong……I am saying that the posters on here seem to be going about getting their opinions across in a very nonproductive manner….much like they say the police officers are doing….It seems like just a bunch of people in here jumping on a band wagon and going in circles….kinda reminds me of the witches in Salem….
IanJones on February 02 at 5:08 p.m.
I am right…you wouldnt? I can only assume you mean you wouldnt put on here all this secret information you have…..So a reasonable person would assume there is no secret information……just like I said above…an unveiled innuendo….if you had it…I assume you would have no shame, or nothing to lose to post it….
IanJones on February 02 at 5:13 p.m.
And you having nothing to lose..and then asking me me if I do …followed by the comment Sending me to graveyard isn’t an option anymore….I can only assume that you think I am a police officer….seems like if anyone comes on here in support, or even semi supportive of police officers you posters think they MUST be an officer…..have you ever sat back and thought that maybe…just maybe….the majority of the general public supports the local police dept? I am part of that general public…….nothing more….nothing less….
brianrbreen on February 02 at 5:37 p.m.
@Ian
I’ll do it this way.
You are the Chief, and you have an older guy that wants on the job, ahead of some younger guys who did well on the Civil Service Exam.
Here is his background:
He spent 10 years on the LAPD and left for some reason.
Went to the KCSO spent a short time there and left.
Went into private practice as an insurance/arson investigator left that.
Went to work for the State of Idaho in probation left that.
Went back to the KCSO with a change of Sheriffs, quickly made Capt.
Left that job after purportedly a poor performance evaluation by a Supervisor.
Ran for Sheriff against a friend and the guy that hired him, and lost.
Had made some contacts while on the KCSO with SPD brass so looked for a job there hoping they would put in a good word.
Would you hire him ahead of the young guys because some of your brass told you he was great? Or would you take a good look at where he had been, and all the different circumstances?
Would you polygraph him to find out if he was running to or from?
When he was on, and unloaded five rounds into a suspect vehicle with another officer having a gun to the suspect’s head, would it have caused you concern, or would you have overlooked it?
Keeping in mind, the ever present investigative hold backs…I don’t know…as for me I would have taken the young guy, and right now I would bet a lot of people wish that had of been the case.
IanJones on February 02 at 6:06 p.m.
Well… my initial thought is two fold…..wouldn’t Thompson have to go through the civil service process like anyone else? Since Thompson apparently came to Spokane from a different State….is he considered a entry level hire….or a lateral hire….do lateral hires have to have a polygraph? If so…then yes Thompson should have taken a polygraph….if he did not…like you insinuate….then yes that is wrong…As far as the younger guys doing a better job on the civil service test….that is a written test right? did they do a better job in the interview, the background test, the psychological test, the physical test? I think there are more factors then just the civil service test…..I just don’t think this is as cut and dry and we think…..
brianrbreen on February 02 at 8:05 p.m.
@IanJones
Getting kind of silly isn’t it. If you can justify the hire have at it.
IanJones on February 02 at 9:13 p.m.
like I said…the majority on here cant seem to be objective…..all I had was questions….the theme on here appears to be….if a question is asked that you dont like…just get pissy….as the above post demonstrates….
LLC on February 16 at 7:18 p.m.
Rudy is an awesome person and was supposedly scary to the officer because he was considered armed. HE HAS NEVER BEEN ARRESTED WITH A FIREARM. He has a crazy wife who pushes his buttons and thats why he has so many felonies. Rudy also happens to be my dad… You guys need to find something better to do with your lives, obviously your adults…