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February 25, 2012 in City
Police Guild calls Thoma’s behavior ‘reprehensible’
President says support for him was what its ‘charter guarantees’
Although the Spokane Police Guild filed a grievance in Sgt. Brad Thoma’s defense, the union on Friday called Thoma’s behavior when he drove drunk and fled from the scene of a collision “reprehensible.”
Attempts made Friday to reach Detective Ernie Wuthrich, the president of the guild, were unsuccessful, but he said in a statement provided by Quinn Group Advertising that dues-paying members deserve the guild’s support.
“What Brad Thoma did that night was reprehensible. The former chief and former mayor took the action they deemed necessary and Brad Thoma took the action he deemed necessary,” the statement said. “The Police Guild gave Thoma the support that our charter guarantees every member. From there the final decision lies in the legal process and any settlements that come between the two parties in conflict.”
The guild has been facing increasing public criticism for blocking police reform measures. Last year the City Council was forced to repeal its more stringent police ombudsman law after it was successfully challenged by the guild, which argued that their membership must approve the change as a matter of working conditions. Wuthrich has said the guild isn’t necessarily opposed to proposed reforms as long as they are properly negotiated.
The guild also is facing pressure from within its ranks, according to former Spokane police Chief Anne Kirkpatrick.
In her application for Phoenix police chief, which was recently made public, Kirkpatrick accused the guild of promoting a “deep seated culture that has not kept up with community values and expectations.”
“I understand that some members of the Guild have approached the president and have asked him to step down,” Kirkpatrick wrote. “The sergeants have now petitioned to separate from the guild.”
Thoma was driving a pickup in September 2009 when he hit another pickup near the intersection of Farwell Road and U.S. Highway 2, then drove away.
Thoma, whose blood alcohol level was measured 0.171 after the crash, avoided criminal prosecution under an agreement approved in Spokane County District Court.
He was fired by the city in December 2009. The guild filed a grievance over his firing, and Thoma filed a civil claim and complaint over his firing with the state Human Rights Commission.
Thoma has argued that the city discriminated against him because he is an alcoholic, according to the complaint filed with the state commission.
He said the city “became aware of my need for accommodation” in November 2009, which was after his collision but before he was fired.
The commission helped broker a settlement that would have allowed Thoma to be rehired in the demoted position of detective on March 1, plus receive back pay of $275,000 based on his pay as a sergeant. His attorney would have received $15,000.
But the director of the Human Rights Commission delayed approval of the settlement and requested a new review of the case, and Mayor David Condon said Thursday that he would delay a decision on the deal until the commission’s new examination is complete.
Closing Geiger: Wise or worrisome? 
Ron_the_Cop on February 25 at 6:34 a.m.
There is an earlier comment thread for this article when it first appeared on the S-R web page:
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2012/feb/24/police-guild-calls-thoma-behavior-reprehensible/
@Brian,
I wonder what the unlicensed fugitive bond agent that was scooped up by the US Marshals in FL is saying lately about Spokane?
Anyway here’s an except of what I posted in the other thread:
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2012/feb/24/mayor-suspends-thoma-settlement/?comments#c416732
@EthicsinLE,
We are in total agreement. The City is now between a rock and a hard place because of past actions/decisions by former Chief Kirkpatrick, the City Attorney’s Office and the Office of the Mayor.
I wrote Mayor Condon yesterday and offered this advice. I will post on my own blog later so that the URL links and other material is available.
BTW Ofc. Edwards is a ticking time bomb. IMO if what has been reported is true in his incident with the bond agent this was a flagrant federal CRV worse than the Ofc. Thompson case. The finding by former City Administrator that there was no criminal wrongdoing here is totally fallacious. I’d be willing to bet this didn’t go unnoticed by the feds. No wonder Brian is teasing about another shoe could drop at anytime since the fugitive unlicense bond agent as been apprehended by the US Marshals Office in FL.
Scoutster on February 25 at 6:34 a.m.
Uh, Ernie…psst. Everyone thinks its reprehensible.
Talk is cheap. So what?
What’s your ACTION, Guild?
Morganna on February 25 at 6:49 a.m.
I think who ever he hit should file a civil suite against Thoma and Take the $$$$$$$$ and RUN. Who did he hit? Have they been reimbursed for the accident. Who wants to go to the Police Dept and talk to someone that feels they can commit a crime and RUN AWAY?? OH that’s right he was drinking. Almost everyone that drinks has some sort of excuse. The dept has in place a program to help the officers out I would think. But no one wants to admit they are in need. They have an attitude that they can handle it.
Maybe they should implement DRUG testing on officers more often to see how many drink before work??
Morgan
DDC on February 25 at 8:37 a.m.
Heard he threatening a $4 Million lawsuit on Tuesday if he doesn’t get his way.
That was on Q-6 last night, but haven’t heard anything since. Was it an erroneous report?
brianrbreen on February 25 at 9:02 a.m.
@Ron_the_Cop
With respect to the Edwards issue of gaining access to SPD records and using them for his personal agenda let me throw this hypothetical at you and ask what you think the Mayor and Chief Stephens should do if it were ever to really happen.
Lets just say one or more SPD officers obtained records of an arrest case from the SPD RMS System or had direct/indirect knowledge pertaining to an individual involved in a criminal case. Keeping in mind that in the State of Washington it is against the law to disseminate NON-CONVICTION information other than for legitimate law enforcement purposes, and doing so also includes “Civil remedies”. What if these officer/s in an effort to try and intimidate and embarrass this individual posted the non-conviction information they obtained on a public blog, under assumed names and also made derogatory references about that individual. Keeping in mind that the SPD is under scrutiny for a P&P and at some point (if they aren’t already) and evaluation team from DC will be in town to review all the information available regarding the SPD and their ability to handle their employees. What do you think the Mayor and Chief should do if this hypothetical took place? Should they be proactive and deal with it right away or should they be reactive and wait until the target of the plot contacts them?
I’m just curious what your take on something like that would be. I know as a citizen if I had ever been arrested for something and the charges were dropped I would be intimidated and embarrassed if members of the SPD tried to ruin my reputation by making public with specific detail only available in an arrest report information they had obtained from their records system and made it public in violation of the law. I’m wondering if things like this were to actually happen and it was not dealt with if it could become common practice for the SPD
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=10.97&full=true#10.97.050
Shelala on February 25 at 9:28 a.m.
@Brian
What about those published public records contained within newspapers in which cases are dismissed or plead down to a lessor degree? What I saw were gleaned from published public records.
D Statler on February 25 at 9:28 a.m.
I think the original LOLLI-POP guild had it right. This new one in Spokane appears all mixed up :^( I wish I had the chance to negotiate the next contract with them. It is obvious now that they can easily and legally be replaced with new SHERIFFS deputies. Time for some real hardball downtown Mr. Mayor :^)
generallyspeaking on February 25 at 9:30 a.m.
Brian….it was ALL found in the good old Spokesman Review…..BUT keep trying…
Shelala on February 25 at 9:33 a.m.
@Statler
I reluctantly agree. Seems like the most viable and economic move at this point.
brianrbreen on February 25 at 9:34 a.m.
Good luck with that :)
Shelala on February 25 at 9:44 a.m.
It’s been a while, but isn’t every records request available via LE systems trackable as to time, date and operator, despite the the fact the info may be also available in a public record? and doesn’t the use of those LE data banks required a legitimate LE need? Seems pretty simple to track if I recall.
brianrbreen on February 25 at 10:14 a.m.
@Shelala
The media reports and has access to and CONVICTION data. They can report booking information if the individual is booked or arrested. But, if for example you were arrested for DUI seventeen years ago and released to a sober party and the police report said you ran and hid but the media didn’t have access to the report and didn’t report it. Then later after the DUI was dismissed and the media reported it in that little section they sometimes do a conviction of as an example reckless or negligent driving, fair game. But you if you were never convicted of DUI that is another matter. So I’m mad at you and I decide I want to intimidate and embarrass you so I back seventeen years in to the news paper archives and I am some how able to cut and paste the conviction for reckless or neg but tell the world you were arrested for DUI and some of the details from the arrest report. To even intimidate you more I tell the world that there were two DUIs when in fact there was only one. Well it’s a pretty simple matter to determine whether or not CHRI information was recently accessed in the SPD RMS system and by whom so if I were a cop I could be in some trouble.
Does that make any sense?
timnote on February 25 at 10:14 a.m.
What exactly is the Guild saying? Lets check the definition of reprehensible.
Reprehensible
/adjective/
Definition: describes deplorable, highly unacceptable action, deserving severe rebuke
Synonyms: condemnable, shameful, blameworthy, unjustifiable, vile, heinous, reproachable, culpable, errant
Oh, well that makes perfect sense why they would fight for him to retain his job.
brianrbreen on February 25 at 10:15 a.m.
@Shelala
Yep.
generallyspeaking on February 25 at 10:52 a.m.
Not a worry in the world…..So if it was only one conviction tell me why the SR article cut and pasted for you said SECOND offense……The SR couldn’t be wrong could it???…Keep trying…..you really aren’t as smart as you think you are…..
brianrbreen on February 25 at 10:58 a.m.
@GS
If that was directed at me…I don’t understand…why someone who is employed in the “insurance billing business”…would have any worry at all.
Shelala on February 25 at 11:05 a.m.
@Brian
You really are correct on that one. I re-read the post. No where does the public record mention running or hiding or any other details except routine court info. I’m usually all about the details, but it eeked by. Funny thing about living on the edge, there are so many details to consider and so much to remember to effectively CYA. Slam dunk. Score.
brianrbreen on February 25 at 11:08 a.m.
@Shelala
It started way back here. I got to belive someone has been watching.
hammer1969 on September 21 at 10:49 p.m.
Anything that comes from Durkin is tainted by his long history of animosity towards SDP as a result of his DUI/resisting arrest charge. Whose house is of glass, must not throw stones at another.
Shelala on February 25 at 11:14 a.m.
I am having trouble keeping track, Which persona is the medical biller and which is the student with a part time job? Isn;t there also one with a Cali relative who was in LE? I think we should be expecting a new one fairly soon.
brianrbreen on February 25 at 11:16 a.m.
@Shelala
I’m still looking into the Hinduism thing.
liveinfearoftheSPD on February 25 at 11:23 a.m.
HAHAHAHA
Sybil are you listening?
Shelala on February 25 at 11:25 a.m.
@Brian
If I recall in my very limited knowledge about reincarnation, does it not say the ultimate goal is to reincarnate to a state of sweet nothingness. I don’t think being reborn a horse’s a** over and over is the proper path to nirvana.
brianrbreen on February 25 at 11:28 a.m.
@Shelala
In the interest of staying on topic. I find some actions to be “reprehensible”.
Shelala on February 25 at 11:37 a.m.
Oh yes, I digress. Back on topic, the article mentions the guild provided its statement via the Quinn Group Advertising. What/Who is this and what is their connection to the police guild?
brianrbreen on February 25 at 12:26 p.m.
@Shelala
My understanding is that they are following some advice given to them to hire a PR firm for the image rehab.
Remember the not so slick persona change when “justme09” switched to “generallyspeaking” when I pointed out the inside info justme09 posted regarding the female bridge jumper, and the explanation for knowing that it was the same women who had done it earlier was being in “medical insurance claims”? Of course the change in screen names was a matter of maintenance remember.
Justme09 on November 16 at 8:08 p.m.
Sunshinegurl…YES they have….as a matter of fact this same woman was pulled off the bridge a couple of years ago by SPD….
generallyspeaking on December 08 at 11:00 a.m.
Do I need to explain how it works? Although the names are linked…changes passwords and such….educate yourself would ya? Not to worry…I am sure my Justme09 screen name will eventually filter back through in the next 5 maintenance updates…..
generallyspeaking on February 11 at 12:47 p.m.
Oh…you got me old wise one….Im in medical Insurance claims….think you were trying to chastise me once for breaking Hippa laws….until I pointed out I knew a little about the laws…and no such were broken since no names were mentioned…..Nor were intimate details…..
Think you have the perception you are a little smarter then you are….wondering how the other posters feel about you calling them your “followers”, and that you have a “rock star” status now…..Hmmm all it took was a little posting on SR to make you feel important,,,,…pathetic
and never denied I use to go by the handle justme09…no big secret there Nancy Drew……
Shelala on February 25 at 12:52 p.m.
@Brian
The PR thing isn’t working well. I think the firm needs a little something to work with to get results. I wonder how members feel about their dues being spent primarily to enhance the union officer’s reputation. But then they could always sell wristbands (no, I am not gonna let that issue go until I find some answers).
Wasn’t there another persona used during super bowl when he invited you to Jack and dans?
brianrbreen on February 25 at 12:56 p.m.
You are not referring to my buddy Ian Jones are you?
Shelala on February 25 at 1:00 p.m.
@Brian
Yea Ian. I found him particularly annoying because it lacked any attempt at finesse.
brianrbreen on February 25 at 1:05 p.m.
@Shelala
“In her application for Phoenix police chief, which was recently made public, Kirkpatrick accused the guild of promoting a “deep seated culture that has not kept up with community values and expectations.”
This is interesting isn’t it? This may be one of the few times she was right, to bad she didn’t tell the whole story about the Sergeants deal including the unlawful activity she was found to be involved in.
On a side note, here is some interesting inside scoop some folks had that Nancy Drew remembered.
nosheet on January 05 at 5:33 p.m.
OMG…is the truth coming out!!!?? What will these poor bloggers do now….You people are missing the point…the video expert solicited the court for its wrongs…..not the judge, not the prosecutor…not the defense team…the witness himself. Sounds like the crack may be in the dam….truth will spill out finally….I wonder if you will ever hear about the jailed witness who testified “voluntarily”…or about the toy pistol in Zehm’s pocket….yes….finally……maybe….
generallyspeaking on December 08 at 8:22 a.m.
Hey Doug…why don’t you ask Tom Clouse WHY he didn’t report it to the court when HE saw the jurors watching the TV when the Zehm information was being streamed across the TV….He apparently even made a comment to the affect that they shouldn’t have been watching that…..
DickAdams on February 25 at 1:16 p.m.
I posted my comment yesterday. No different in my thinking today. The Police guild is so transparent. I wonder if the members that never miss a meeting at the guild, really think what`s printed in the story that the citizens will believe the guild president? My guess is that the saluting gang guild members thinks they are talking to a village idiots.
Shelala on February 25 at 1:20 p.m.
@Brian
It would appear Phoenix may have a handle of that transparency thing. They offered up and published her entire application, Q&A, resume, cover sheet and resume for the public to see and comment. Considering the date of the application, she really did see the handwriting on the wall. The Phoenix article also states that they hire independent PIs to complete in depth background checks. Can you imagine a city willing to release info without censored PDR requests?
On the side note, “oily oily oxen free”
brianrbreen on February 25 at 1:25 p.m.
Here is the real story behind the unlawful conduct PERC found involving the deal with the Sergeants that Kirkpatrick listed in her Phoenix application. You would hope they would look into it if she made the final cut. This link below seems to be a little different than what she is telling
http://www.perc.wa.gov/databases/ULP/11263.htm
slednek509 on February 25 at 1:52 p.m.
Reprehensible…so what. What are you going to do about it Police Guild? I’m curious to hear how you feel about Officer Thompsons behavior. Or the actions of the cop that shot Shonto Pete in the back of the head. Or how bout threatening to kill your wife? Tazering a obviously suicidal man and he jumps to his death. Calling another member of the Police to obtain a woman’s address you met in a bar and showing up at her house? Whipping your junk out and showing it to a Barista in Airway Heights. Get your stuff together City of Spokane, Mayor, Police Guild, and the City Council. Get your stories straight because your gna need to agree when the State and Feds get done with all of this complete crap!
generallyspeaking on February 25 at 4:49 p.m.
Keep reaching Brian…You’re in for a big let down….but I do find it amusing you spend so much time on me….but then when you spend 15 hours in front of your computer I wouldn’t expect anything less….what a bafoon….
brianrbreen on February 25 at 4:55 p.m.
Hey you got this one in without it being deleted…good job.
JanB on February 25 at 5:38 p.m.
@ generally speaking
It’s spelled “buffoon” by the way.
??Riddler?? on February 25 at 7:28 p.m.
?? Does generallysqueeking have a Big Woody for Brian ?.
generallyspeaking on February 25 at 7:33 p.m.
Oh….haven’t been censored since michael got spanked…..BUT it has been fun stringing you along…..you’re not as smart as you seem to think…..love to watch you think you’re “ON” to something….when both you and I KNOW you don’t know squat…..you exceed your poor school days reputation….i just pity that you have to spend your days on the computer to somehow get validation for your existence…..
D Statler on February 25 at 8:56 p.m.
@ generally, We the people are lucky to have Brian ,Ron,Ethics and the few other honest LEOs that post up on here to let us know what your take from the dark side is. Sometimes I don’t like what they have to say either. Atleast I know they are trying to be honest to the best of their knowledge. It is refreshing to get their informed input. Thanks Guys and Gals :^)
michaelm on February 25 at 9:07 p.m.
gs, I presume you’re talking about me.
I don’t know what you mean by my having been “spanked.” I’ve notified my superiors here of every action I’ve taken on these forums (not a requirement, btw, merely a courtesy; I don’t want them coming in unaware on Monday to a storm), and have been consistently supported.
I’m not out to embarrass any of our readers, or to get into a power struggle with them. My only goal here is to keep the conversations civil. If I haven’t censored you lately, it’s because 1) I have better things to do than track your utterings, and 2) no one’s been flagging your comments during my shift — I try to let the other posters ‘round here set the tone; if they’re okay with it, I usually am too.
brianrbreen on February 25 at 9:21 p.m.
@michaelm
Still in the doghouse I see…I believe it was Dan that got GS earlier today.
brianrbreen on February 25 at 9:28 p.m.
@michaelm
After over forty years in the business I was in…heck a guy is bound to garner a few real admirers like GS. Looks like GS may have found someone else to admire as well, which really puts you in the proverbial doghouse. :)
michaelm on February 25 at 9:31 p.m.
Frankly, I’m surprised he’s not flagged more often. I suspect most folks are just ignoring him. I would have, but I didn’t want him to think he’d gotten away with something.
brianrbreen on February 25 at 9:36 p.m.
@michaelm
I don’t have a problem with GS…I think Tim Durkin might though.
michaelm on February 25 at 9:39 p.m.
“Looks like GS may have found someone else to admire …”
Because I gave him a time-out? He needs better role models.
brianrbreen on February 25 at 9:41 p.m.
Heck I’m trying :)
brianrbreen on February 25 at 9:48 p.m.
@michaelm
Which reminds me…Bill Morlin and I went to High School together…If GS keeps talking about my High School days I’m going to have to start telling Morlin stories just to make myself look good. :) …make that real good.
generallyspeaking on February 26 at 7:52 a.m.
Durkin can have at it….everything I have cut and pasted about him was from your employer’s paper Michael…if its in the good old SR it MUST be true right?!! Brian you sure seem to like to throw names around….must make you feel important….
brianrbreen on February 26 at 8:28 a.m.
@GS
Sounds like a great defense to me…I wouldn’t continue to tack a worry on it…I doubt the Feds would be interested in someone employed in “medical insurance claims” anyway.
I wouldn’t lose any sleep over it. :)
mary1958 on February 26 at 10:38 a.m.
I find the term “reprehensible” laughable considering it came from Wuthrich. The Police guild are not concerned about Thoma other than to aid in getting his job back if they can. This right you get not from paying your union dues but from being in good standing with the white male police force.
I think this case can be won by the city a lot better than the current proposed settlement. ADA policy is not absolute that an employee would get their same job back just because they have a disability. A bus driver who is blind in both eyes would not. Thoma has an incurable disease that was brought on by his job in LE. It is not feasible treatment wise (I was a practicing CDP in the sate of WA. for 7 years–Non-addict) to recommend that such a person go back into a work environment where the addict’s number one relapse trigger is: 1) Working as a police officer. Also it does not work for the city. Thoma would have to carry a gun and drive. This is too risky especially for someone who may have a character problem due to his hit and run. Obviously this is not a person who caught the problem himself first. When he gets drunk he loses all concern for the welfare of others. If Thoma were to do something wrong again it might cost the city even more in damages. Offer him a different job again and that’s it. He refused it the first time so he quit.
Mayor Condon needs to get an attorney that specializes in ADA cases, a qualified chemical dependency professional (maybe one who specializes in relapse prevention), and the gal Thoma hit to testify in civil court. Do not give in and give Thoma this settlement. You’ll be setting up a bad precedent.
I believe it is the equally insane to keep anyone in the law field such as judges and lawyers that have similar or worse problems. However, a police officer carries a gun and drives a car as part of their profession so it is EVEN WORSE.
mmortz on February 26 at 1:50 p.m.
The ADA laws can be found at www.ada.gov/employment
1. Under the ADA law: “However, an employer can discipline, discharge or deny employment to an alcoholic whose use of alcohol adversely affects job performance or conduct.” http://www.ada.gov/employmt.htm
There are objective standards for police conduct at the website of the International Association of Chiefs of Police.
http://www.theiacp.org/PoliceServices/ProfessionalAssistance/Ethics/ModelPolicyonStandardsofConduct/tabid/196/Default.aspx#ModelPolicy
One of those standards states;
“Officers shall not engage in any conduct or activities on- or off-duty that reflect discredit on the officers, tend to bring this agency into disrepute, or impair its efficient and effective operation.” DUI and hit-and-run clearly bring the agency into disrepute.
2. The ADA does not require unreasonable expenses. A DUI-convicted officer needs to be able to drive any available squad car in an emergency. It is not reasonable to require the city to equip all squad cars with anti-drunk-driving devices. It is not reasonable to require that the city issue a DUI-convicted driver their own squad car.
3. The ADA does not require an employer to reallocate essential functions of a job as a reasonable accommodation. A police officer needs to show that he can drive in a safe and legal manner as an essential part of the job. He may be required on short notice to respond to a major incident with any standard police vehicle. A hit and run indicates that he/she cannot perform the job reliably.
The city and county should to set up procedures to ensure that objective professional standards are followed. Any and all contracts with city employees or unions need to require compliance.
The city needs to spend dollars actively ensuring that those standards are met, even if it means appealing mediation settlement cases to the Supreme Court.
Too many officers with bad behaviors are discrediting the police and the city. The officers who practice good behaviors are being harmed by the others. The public is being harmed by the presence of law officers who do not themselves obey the law.
michaelm on February 26 at 2:19 p.m.
“if its in the good old SR it MUST be true right?!!”
Well, duh! :-)
generallyspeaking on February 26 at 5:13 p.m.
Durkin–Judge could you sign this warrant so I could get personal
information on this IP address?
Judge— Why do you need that Timmy?
Durkin— Well they are saying really mean things about me
Judge— Well is what they are saying true and factual? Part of a
public record?
Durkin- Well yes Judge, but it’s really really mean and telling
about my criminal antics…It hurts my feelings.
Judge— Timmy NO. Now go home, have yourself a cold one
and relax. BUT don’t drive this time!!
brianrbreen on February 26 at 5:40 p.m.
@GS
Man this has got you worried…don’t worry about it…I don’t know anything remember.
Look being in medical insurance claims I’m sure you wouldn’t know this but…they don’t need a warrant.
brianrbreen on February 26 at 5:42 p.m.
@michaelm
Just two so far right? No where near the record?
generallyspeaking on February 26 at 5:49 p.m.
Not worried at all…..funny you think anything you say affects me or makes me worry..I find your incessant ranting ridiculous…and honestly quite pitiful….even someone else asked you WHY you are on here so much…
.OK….Subpoena…Subpoena away…..come and get me for being a citizen who knows Durkin’s background….Oooh…..scary….
Oh…and as far as your body going, but keeping your mind sharp….your failing at that….but no need to tell you that….you already know….
brianrbreen on February 26 at 6:07 p.m.
@GS
I wouldn’t worry…I’m sure you will be fine…now I haven’t had any cases involving intimidation of a federal officer…have you guys looked at that…just curious.
generallyspeaking on February 26 at 7:01 p.m.
Intimidation of a federal officer?? WHATS intimidating about talking about his publicly noted criminal acts? Even tho he was able to plead down to reckless driving….it’s still a criminal act, that he admitted to…..nice try…but keep trying…..like I said obviously your mind is slipping too….
brianrbreen on February 26 at 7:11 p.m.
@GS
Among the things that you help to make life more interesting for me is that sometimes you remind me of my college days and all the Shakespeare I had to read. This one in particular comes to mind.
Hamlet, Act III, Scene II
“The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”
generallyspeaking on February 26 at 7:13 p.m.
No protesting….just pointing out your ineptness…..
brianrbreen on February 26 at 7:15 p.m.
@GS
I’m sure everyone appreciates that. I know I do. :)
generallyspeaking on February 26 at 7:25 p.m.
And if little ole me makes your life more interesting…..well that doesn’t say much for you now does it….
generallyspeaking on February 26 at 7:29 p.m.
STILL waiting to hear how Timmy was intimidated on anything posted on here, by anyone…..crickets..i hear crickets….
brianrbreen on February 26 at 7:30 p.m.
@GS
Probably only that I’m easily entertained.
brianrbreen on February 26 at 7:31 p.m.
@GS
Well…I’d help you out but it might be a better idea to talk to a lawyer.
generallyspeaking on February 26 at 7:42 p.m.
No need…..nothing there to worry about….if he doesn’t want his indiscretions in a public newspaper he shouldnt do the things that got him in hot water in the first place….. Both you and I know I don’t need a lawyer….but that is just your way of trying to make your “followers” believe you know what you speak of….Your “followers” as you call then might buy into your rhetoric….but I don’t….please show me whee I intimidated Timmy….Nothing I have said was intimidating….Just giving the facts…….IF that scares timmy he should find a different line of work to go into….so still waitig for you to show me how i intimidated TImmy……Crickets, crickets…….
brianrbreen on February 26 at 7:48 p.m.
@GS
Hey…like I said don’t tack a worry on it…no big deal…unless…no never mind… you wouldn’t have been under subpoena in the KT trial…so no sweat.
BTW; Are you up to 4 or is it 5 deletes now. I hope you realize that even if you do get the boot they still have your IP address.
generallyspeaking on February 26 at 7:59 p.m.
Let em have it…..like i said…you’re gonna be sorely disappointed….when I turn out to be not even close to what you think i am…… Just a person that sees right thru your rhetoric….Never been subpoenaed in my life….so this could be fun….Im sure Durkin would love to ask me about his criminal conduct….Im sure it is such a pleasant conversation for him…..Thats when I whip out the SR articles I found about him…and say….SEE it says it right here in this newspaper….Oh and then the public records that are available too……so really….whats the point of him embarrassing himself all over again….
generallyspeaking on February 26 at 8:00 p.m.
Oh heck boot me…..cuz i sure couldnt figure out how to get back on if i wanted to…..
brianrbreen on February 26 at 8:09 p.m.
@GS
Very good point. I think though if I was in his position with all the vitriol and names you have directed at him it would cause both he and the FBI a little concern as to whether you might be some crazy person that blames him entirely for your friend KT’s demise. Of course no one knows what a wonderful person you really are but they may want to be safe rather than sorry. I did have a client once that got out of line with a federal prosecutor…it got kind of ugly…but that wasn’t around here so I don’t know how they would handle it in Spokane.
brianrbreen on February 26 at 8:30 p.m.
@GS
Just a couple of other things…just some advice and I know you probably won’t take it from me but. In the unlikely event that you do get that knock on the door…whatever you do don’t barricade yourself in the house…hell they could call up the SWAT team and who knows what would happen. And what ever you do don’t lie to them…that is a felony…honest…if they do talk to you chances are they already know exactly who you have been talking to about Mr. Durkin.
michaelm on February 26 at 8:50 p.m.
gs said: “Oh heck boot me…..cuz i sure couldnt figure out how to get back on if i wanted to…..”
But why would you want to?
Why are your insults so important that you’ll keep making them at the risk of being banned from this site, and why would you need so badly to make them that you’ll find another way to continue? We offer these forums to encourage civilized debate on topics of interest to our community, nothing more.
About half of your comments are actually on topic; isn’t that enough for you? If someone claims expertise in something, why don’t you just dispute their point rather than attack what you think they are? You could be wrong, you know. (For example, some people could have relatives who get ADA checks, or are attorneys who specialize in it, or maybe are just good at research; would any of them be worthy of ridicule?)
I’ve been to other websites where the “discussions” are nothing more than flame wars, but I’ve never visited them twice. There’s no knowledge being exchanged, only rhetoric. I like the fact that, with a few exceptions, most of the posters here are respectful toward one another, and I’m trying to keep it that way. You can help.
??Riddler?? on February 26 at 9:20 p.m.
?? Does generallysqueeking have a Big Woody for Mr. Durkin too ??