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January 6, 2012 in City
Judge postpones Thompson sentencing
Prosecution expert claims defense got partial information
Thompson
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The upcoming sentencing hearing for former Spokane police Officer Karl F. Thompson Jr. was postponed Thursday to give defense attorneys more time to investigate recent developments that might bolster their argument for a new trial.
U.S. District Judge Fred Van Sickle vacated the Jan. 27 hearing after a video analyst hired by the U.S. Justice Department advised the court that federal prosecutors may have withheld potentially beneficial information to the defense in the excessive force case.
The U.S. Attorney’s Office disagreed, but Van Sickle ordered that the sentencing hearing be postponed indefinitely and extended the deadline to Jan. 24 for Thompson’s lawyers to submit arguments for why their client should get a new trial. The extension is intended to give defense attorney Carl Oreskovich enough time to determine whether allegations made last month by forensic video analyst Grant Fredericks should be included in their request.
In the order, Van Sickle acknowledged his ruling was “unusual.”
“The Court received a letter ‘out of the blue’ as it were,” the judge wrote. “The letter set in motion a chain of events that led to this order.”
Thompson, 64, was convicted in November by a federal jury of using excessive force in the 2006 beating and death of unarmed janitor Otto Zehm, who had been mistakenly implicated in a potential theft. At least one other Spokane police officer remains under FBI investigation for her role in the department’s response to the fatal encounter, which prompted widespread calls for police reform and contributed to a voter-driven shakeup at City Hall in November.
Following the conviction, federal prosecutors indicated they may seek a prison term of eight to 10 years, though defense attorneys are expected to argue that Thompson’s decades of service as a decorated police officer should warrant a significantly more lenient penalty.
Triggering the Thursday developments was a Dec. 1 request from Fredericks asking the court to release him from the confidentiality agreement he’d signed with the Department of Justice. Fredericks told the court that he felt prosecutors improperly withheld information from the defense but that the confidentiality agreement prohibited him from providing specific details.
A letter written by Fredericks detailing why he considered the prosecution’s disclosures to the defense team to be “inaccurate, misleading, or incomplete” was provided to the defense. His allegations, however, were not included in Van Sickle’s order postponing the sentencing hearing.
Federal prosecutors late Thursday disputed any suggestion that they improperly withheld anything, noting that Thompson’s defense has been provided with hundreds of pages of reports since 2007 that Fredericks had prepared for the Justice Department. Fredericks was among several video experts that the Justice Department hired to analyze convenience store security footage of the fatal police encounter with Zehm.
“It is the United States’ position that Mr. Fredericks and his counsel do not understand nor appreciate the full nature and extent of the United States’ discovery disclosures to the defense that concerns Mr. Fredericks, his reports, statements and/or testimony,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Timothy M. Durkin said in documents responding to the new assertions.
Durkin and Assistant U.S. Attorney Tom Rice, the office’s spokesman, declined further comment.
Oreskovich did not return a call seeking comment.
Fredericks was at the center of an earlier confidentiality dispute between federal prosecutors and Spokane City Hall.
The U.S. Attorney’s Office invoked the confidentiality agreement in 2007 to prohibit Fredericks, who had provided forensic video services to the city before being hired by the Justice Department, from continuing to give Assistant Spokane City Attorney Rocco Treppiedi copies of the forensic work paid for by the Justice Department.
Fredericks, owner of Spokane-based Forensic Video Solutions, was testifying Thursday at a homicide trial in Texas and unable to comment.
Breean Beggs, who is representing Otto Zehm’s family in a civil suit against the city of Spokane, called Thursday’s developments “typical post-trial maneuvers to try to undo what the jury did.”
“I don’t think it will result in anything substantive in the long run,” he said. “The jury saw the video straight up, so they made their own decisions on that.”
Two home-invasion robberies reported 
Nugget on January 06 at 12:17 a.m.
Just a repeat story to keep this on the front page. Nothing new here so let’s move on.
ChiefsFan21 on January 06 at 12:32 a.m.
over 5 years time STILL ISN’T ENOUGH.This should tell everyone right here that this is all a play put on for them.”Out of the blue”, “prosecution helping the defendent”,oh and don’t forget the ongoing “unusual” circumstances Judge van Jokel keeps using to proceed with the enevitable.The cover-up continues…..
ChiefsFan21 on January 06 at 2:50 a.m.
“typical post-trial maneuvers to try to undo what the jury did.”
“I don’t think it will result in anything substantive in the long run,” he said. “The jury saw the video straight up, so they made their own decisions on that.”
BINGO
BlondeSquawker on January 06 at 4:44 a.m.
If it weren’t for that video:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2017083878_spokane24m.html
Spoke1 on January 06 at 5:32 a.m.
Who is the dude walking next to Karl wearing the black shirt and sunglasses?
Orphan on January 06 at 6:58 a.m.
Go to jail Thompson………… er I mean felon.
D Statler on January 06 at 7:05 a.m.
Presidential Pardon ? Obama IS on the way out ! LOL
Just like our un-balanced judicial system to look out for the Police. Like I said in the last post. If every indigent in Spokane County Jail were afforded this much for defense. Spokane County Jail would be empty. :^( Not so fair from the poor side of the tracks. Steve Tucker and his crew continue to prosecute only the cases they want and not the cases that they have more than enough proof to convict.
WillyPeter on January 06 at 7:32 a.m.
….and Rocco and the SPD hierarchy that we know lied and covered up continue on our dime because…….??
lewis8457 on January 06 at 7:43 a.m.
BlondeSquawker thank you for that URL i found a few things in that article I never read in any Spokane newspaper.
In the midst of the trial, Tom Clouse, a Spokesman-Review reporter who’d aggressively covered the case for years, learned his house back in Spokane had been stripped clean by thieves. A newspaper displaying his article on Thompson had been left on the back porch. “Someone sent me a message,” Clouse said.
The Zehm family’s two civil attorneys also had experienced suspicious incidents at their homes. The FBI investigated both, but they remain unresolved.
Recalling Zehm, hogtied and stifled with a mask, Brockett said, “Those officers all stood there and watched a man die.”
Nugget, shadedmoose, and generallyspeaking see what you are standing up for, terrorists plain and simple.
Sunshinegurl on January 06 at 7:46 a.m.
It bothers me that the US Attnys were not served or even given access to the ex-parte motions before Van Jokel (I like that name so I’m borrowing it chiefs fan) made his ruling on them.
I wouldn’t mind reading a follow up story on that.
chouligirl on January 06 at 7:49 a.m.
Since when does a judge postpone the sentencing of a convicted man ” to give defense attorneys more time to investigate recent developments that might bolster their argument for a new trial.”
The trial is over and Thompson was convicted. Period.
I’ve NEVER heard of this being allowed before…so why in this case? Thompson needs to be sentenced as planned.
Holy cow…didn’t know the extent of the corruption in this city.
What an insult to every citizen!
brianrbreen on January 06 at 8:19 a.m.
@Sunshinegurl
According to Tim Durkin’s response it sounds like it was a system glitch and really not the fault of anyone other than a breakdown in the digital system.
I really don’t see how Judge Van Sickle had any other choice but to grant the defense an extension, and the DOJ agreed one should be granted.
People are taking shots at Judge Van Sickle but I personally can’t see where he has done anything but protect the integrity of the criminal justice system. I’m a bit bias regarding Federal Judges because a letter from one saved my sorry ass from a world of hurt, but I think one would be hard pressed to really find anything he has done wrong. The proof of the pudding will be at sentencing.
lewis8457 on January 06 at 8:22 a.m.
chouligirl this story will open the eyes of many in our city that think our city and police believe in justice for all. instead they only care about corruption for them against us.
their cars should not say serve and protect they should say kill and take.
Shelala on January 06 at 8:41 a.m.
IMO, it may be a glitch or maneuvering or whatever, but something doesn’t smell right. I hope some further investigation is going on in the background. SR, are there any documents that could be posted in relation to Thompson’s request for having his legal fees paid for by taxpayers and who paid what? Usually, when I have to pay for something, I’m given more information than simply “legal; stuff”.. As a taxpayer, what did I buy? It seems funny that thousand dollar toilets purchased from a government contractor can hit the headlines, but nothing about this legal expenditure.
princessdd on January 06 at 8:52 a.m.
Justice delayed is justice denied. How much longer will this be drawn out? And nothing has even begun with the other players involved. Wow…
brianrbreen on January 06 at 9:23 a.m.
@Shelala
It is kind of interesting that according to the documents Grant Fredericks is pitching a bitch about the lawyer prepared “Notice of Expert Witnesses” submitted to the Court and the Defense in September of 2009. It makes me wonder why if he objected to the DOJ’s representation of what he was able to testify to why he waited so long to bring it to the attention of the Court. That whole Grant Fredericks thing is interesting, remember he is the one that Rocco hired prior to the DOJ getting involved, and there was a big deal about him providing Rocco information when he was under contract with the DOJ, thus the confidentiality contract. He wasn’t used by the DOJ at trial, one could speculate as to why, but I noticed that they used their own people from the FBI Lab and backed them up with a Bio Metrics Expert, so someone did a lot of grunt work (and I know grunt work when I see it). In one of Frederick’s cases where he was used, a Bio Metrics Expert countered him. So I’m just guessing that the DOJ had their Bio Metrics guy look at Frederick’s analysis and maybe he pointed out some areas of disagreement or inconsistency. But I’m confused as to why way pre-trial if CO got all of Fredericks reports etc as the DOJ points out in their response they didn’t review them and make a move back then to release him from the confidentiality agreement so they could call him.
As the Judge points out something is really odd here. IMO, not only about the timing, but also about the motivation. Zelda is right this would make a great book.
http://media.spokesman.com/documents/2009/09/zemwithness3.pdf
paddleboard9 on January 06 at 9:31 a.m.
Open your eyes everybody, right now we are witnessing a cover-up. They know we know but don’t care. They aren’t even trying to hide it. I’m new to Spokane and I’m already making plans to move soon, I’ve never had a run in with police but I can’t deny what I’m seeing here. There is a major police cover-up and a police force that has know respect for the law. The facts or pretty simple in this case. A innocent man was attacked and killed by police. The police and mayor then attempted to cover up the crime. When the officer was found guilty the police force stood in unity and saluted a murderer. The men and women who are sworn to protect and are paid by your tax dollars spit in the face of everyone and stood with a convicted murderer.
herewegoagain on January 06 at 9:36 a.m.
In the video watch the guy walking from the oppisite direction after Zehm enters. When he spots Thompson coming through the door he’s preparing to take the hands up stance.
From the way Thompson enters even this guy knew he meant business that night.
Shelala on January 06 at 9:39 a.m.
@Brian
It just doesn’t pass the smell test.You will note a few questions about Freds qualifications on the link I posted.under experts. I naively assumed he was just a video expert with a super duper interest in forensic video. A simple google let me know he is just a former Canadian cop or something like that. IMO, a little backtracking may be beneficial, but then I am all about those details.
generallyspeaking on January 06 at 9:48 a.m.
hahahahahhahahahahahahahaha
brianrbreen on January 06 at 9:51 a.m.
@Shelala
I know but that isn’t any big deal, there is always another expert to counter your expert. The one that was interesting to me though was the one where the Mounties tazed a Polish guy at the Vancouver airport, and I still think Wasson should get Cuniff going on the Ogopogo case.
brianrbreen on January 06 at 9:53 a.m.
@justme09
See like I said…it is kinda fun isn’t it!
Shelala on January 06 at 9:57 a.m.
@Brian
That was mentioned in the link I provided.
BlondeSquawker on January 06 at 9:59 a.m.
Book? Hell, I heard 60 minutes is picking up the story. Wait til the rest of the world sees the video!
BlondeSquawker on January 06 at 10:09 a.m.
And now Nancy Grace!!!
jddavis on January 06 at 10:13 a.m.
Can’t the high-priced public defender make a phone call or visit him at the jail?
How about taking Thompson back into custody now?
This is beyond ridiculous!
BlondeSquawker on January 06 at 10:18 a.m.
Just e-mailed the video to Anderson Cooper. Oh, this is going to be fun!
detroitdude on January 06 at 10:21 a.m.
The only thing that could make the video more damning for KT would be if it happened to record him klubbing Otto with a psychotic smile and zeal.
zelda on January 06 at 10:25 a.m.
@BlondeSquawker — Are you serious? Is “60 Minutes” actually interested in this case? If so, they could really make things mighty uncomfortable for certain people. “60 Minutes” is the #2-rated TV show in the nation (behind CSI). And let’s not forget that certain people messed with some CBS producers and reporters when they came to town to do a story on the Marks family vs. SPD. One of SPD’s specialities is intimidation.
This is just a wild guess on my part, but maybe the expert witness is feeling like his credentials have been diminished by involvement in this case as it stands and he wants to speak out in order to burnish his resume a bit and enhance his ability to continue making a living as an expert witness. Just conjecture on my part. Or somebody is intimidating him to go this route.
BlondeSquawker on January 06 at 10:26 a.m.
Woo Hoo!!! I just got a reply back from Lester Holt!
lewis8457 on January 06 at 10:26 a.m.
BlondeSquawker really is 60 minutes doing a story on our murderous police gang?
That would be great way to warn travelers to stay away from Spokane. I warn everyone i know on network sites if they value life stay away from Spokane.
Verbal on January 06 at 10:28 a.m.
Would someone post a link to the video (if available)?
I’ve avoided seeing it - I think of it as a snuff film - but after reading all of these comments for the last few months, I think I want to watch it.
BlondeSquawker on January 06 at 10:31 a.m.
detroitdude:
There’s a pic in the attached website of KTK just after his “fresh kill”. He looks like he wants a fine chianti to finish off that liver he just ate.
http://oregonshout.ning.com/group/cop-report/forum/topics/cop-murder-of-otto-zehm
BlondeSquawker on January 06 at 10:34 a.m.
Verbal: it’s in this article. Scroll down to see it.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2017083878_spokane24m.html
addyh on January 06 at 10:39 a.m.
Verbal et. al., it’s also posted on our site along with interviews, a full story archive, documents, and an explainer of the case:
http://www.spokesman.com/topics/otto-zehm/
BlondeSquawker on January 06 at 10:40 a.m.
Verbal: I believe the video on the Seattle Times if of better quality.
Just sayin’
BlondeSquawker on January 06 at 10:48 a.m.
The SR videos look as they’ve been done in Slo-Mo.
zelda on January 06 at 11:04 a.m.
I may be late to lunch on this, but were any tox tests done on Thompson after Zehm died? If Thompson was in a station house with his compadres watching a GU game and the beer wasn’t flowing freely, I’d be surprised. Even if he wasn’t a GU fan and therefore made himself available to answer the call at Zip Trip, it doesn’t mean that he wasn’t imbibing along with his buddies.
I hadn’t watched the full video until now and it’s sickening. It looks like Zehm was set upon by a pack of wild dogs.
brianrbreen on January 06 at 11:06 a.m.
@Zelda
Nope.
Verbal on January 06 at 11:12 a.m.
Thank you Blondesquawker & addyh.
philipgregory on January 06 at 11:14 a.m.
“Justice delayed is justice denied”
BlondeSquawker on January 06 at 11:14 a.m.
Here’s how to contact CNN to report this new travesty:
404-827-1500
zelda on January 06 at 11:33 a.m.
@BlondeSquawker — So what did Lester Holt have to say?
If there is any national TV coverage of this, it seems more up “60 Minutes’” alley or maybe Anderson Cooper, i.e., it’s a story of police brutality and civic outrage, not the formulaic upper-middle-class couple who seemed to have it all murder melodrama that winds up on “Dateline.”
Shadedmuse on January 06 at 11:40 a.m.
The goal is to delay get a new trial and get pres Obama to pardon Karl Thompson andf give this hero the medal of freedom he deserves and Obama will win in A Landlside for standing up for Law and order and justice because Karl Thompson is a Hero for is stance on law and order and Justice.
FREE KARL THOMPSOM the man is A HERO
Shelala on January 06 at 11:41 a.m.
@Zelda
Good question. You’d think it would be reasonable to screen in every critical incident. I bet it was one of the first things looked for with Otto and not just for medical reasons In any event he appears to look like a kid who broke his toys in anger, to suggest a bad analogy. I guess that is why I have concerns about the supporters and saluters continuing on the streets of Spokane and the possibility of misdirected aggression. If they can’t control vocal anger at the verdict, how can I be assured as a citizen they
can control their emotions in a stressful situation and “go postal”?
Shelala on January 06 at 11:45 a.m.
Looks like we are gonna have to replace that “near nature, near perfect” motto.
Shadedmuse on January 06 at 11:47 a.m.
I Havealways said Spokane is near hell near crap when they first came out with lame slogan,
zelda on January 06 at 11:52 a.m.
@Shelala — It seems reasonable to suspect that Thompson might have been intoxicated when he responded to the call and entered the Zip Trip. But given that the cover-up began almost immediately after the beating was finished, nobody was going to give Thompson a Breathalizer test or blood test.
New motto — “Near nature, near bodies.” You never know what you might find amid the scenery when you’re out walking the dog.
brianrbreen on January 06 at 12:00 p.m.
@Zelda
In all fairness I believe he was watching the game at a cop shop with other officers and civilians, so I serious doubt he was drinking. At that time, as well as today, the Guild contract prohibits mandatory drug testing in OIDs. Unfortunately for the cops and the public the issue will always be raised as to whether or not steroid usage was involved, as has been the case with other departments.
Shelala on January 06 at 12:10 p.m.
@Brian
Why would the guild even object to mandatory drug testing of OID incidents? It would seem to offer a degree of reassurance to the public and protect the officer from unfounded allegations of substance abuse. Screening is required for everyone from truck drivers to new hires in today’s world, but not in a OID? Does Thompson have to undergo screening while awaiting sentencing? What are the restrictions placed on him while he is free pending sentencing?
brianrbreen on January 06 at 12:27 p.m.
@Shelala
Mandatory tox testing in OIDs is SOP in some areas, and it just makes since to me in everyone’s interest and especially the cops. But it is a working condition and has to be bargained so we will see how Condon does with that.
Thompson won’t have many restrictions, they would have grabbed his passport, and he has to behave, other than that not much. Someone from Federal Parole is doing a PSI on him so a lot of people are being interviewed. I hope whoever is doing it talks to the Undersheriff at the KCSO that supposedly gave him a bad report, because from the looks of things most of it will be pretty positive. I’m sure the Feds have his LAPD records and I hope they talk to some people that were there when he was. But generally the PSIs are pretty thorough.
herewegoagain on January 06 at 12:29 p.m.
Since Thompson has been already found guilty and has resigned, is the City of Spokane still paying his legal fees or is he on his own dollar now?
brianrbreen on January 06 at 12:40 p.m.
Thompson’s defense is being paid for by Federal Criminal Justice Act funds since he went indigent. In essence public funds. But if it makes you feel any better the person that administers the funds in this district is a penny-pinching tyrant. :) :)
herewegoagain on January 06 at 12:46 p.m.
Thank you for that info Brian. It sickens me that he’s not sitting in a cell awaiting sentencing as is the case with most found guilty of a criminal act.
zelda on January 06 at 1:00 p.m.
I watched the “Case Histories” series on PBS Masterpiece last year. It’s about homicide cops in Edinburgh. In one of the shows a world-weary, cynical detective asks his co-worker, “Why did you become a cop?” and she replies, “For the pension and so I could beat people with sticks.” The point, I suppose, was to show how these detectives found themselves being emotionally affected by the cases they were investigating and discovering an aspect of humanity about themselves that they didn’t expect.
Not sure that has happened among the SPD with the Zehm case. But I sure remembered that line as it seems to be sort of a universal cop-speak about the jobs they do.
@brianrbreen — ‘Roid rage wasn’t something I thought about, but viewing the entire video, one has to wonder. He seemed frenzied and enraged for no discernable reason. Calling it a disproportionate use of force is way too clinical. The video is appalling. and terrifying.
Shelala on January 06 at 1:04 p.m.
Another thing I find interesting is that Otto’s medical bills in all probability were pretty costly. Since he in all probability received SSI because of his disability, his medical expenses were paid from a combination of state and federal funds .(However, SSI is income based and since Otto was employed he may not have been entitled or at least saw reduced benefits). Thompson when incarcerated will also have his medical expenses covered at taxpayer expense for years. The state may try to recoup Otto’s medical expenses from his estate if the Zehm family prevails in their civil suit. Thompson, like his legal fees, will continue to reap taxpayer health care benefits on the public dole when incarcerated. In short, these costs could represent hundreds of thousands of dollars and combined with the cost of Thompson’s legal defense paid by taxpayers could have funded programs that were cut that would benefit citizens and not just Thompson. At 64 years old and given the stress this stuff creates, I hope ole Thompson keeps healthy because I don’t want to contribute anymore of my tax dollars towards anything Thompson.
brianrbreen on January 06 at 1:24 p.m.
@Zelda
Cops say a lot of things amongst themselves, which they really don’t mean, and cases do emotionally affect you, but when you are to the point that the cynicism against some of the scum you have to deal with reflects upon how you deal with people, you have no business on the job, and when you announce that cynicism publicly not only are you an idiot, but also obviously don’t care one bit about the people you work with that haven’t allowed themselves to fall pry to that mind set.
zelda on January 06 at 1:45 p.m.
I don’t doubt that there is a high degree of PTSD among cops verging on multiple tours of duty in a war zone, depending on what city you’re in. It might not be a good thing to take the mindset developed in LA or Riverside and bring it to Spokane. It’s not that Spokane doesn’t have those kinds of crimes; just seems like being on the force in huge urban areas can cause some LE to inflict brutal measures almost out of reflex.
Verbal on January 06 at 1:54 p.m.
Brianrbreen - How, in your opinion, is such a mindset reversed? Can it be, with the Guild as strong as it is (or appears to be)?
ChiefsFan21 on January 06 at 1:55 p.m.
BlondSquaker thanks for the CNN #. We need everyone we can to call in and get as much national attention on this as possible.
cassandracomplex on January 06 at 2:18 p.m.
Why is this ” video forensics expert” coming forth now? I can play with photo shop too. You see Zehm walk right passed a cold and a warm 2 liter soda display, without even looking at the sodas. He doesn’t stop to shop for anything until he gets to the wall refriderated units, then Thompson is on him before he gets a chance to select something. I say they cropped the video about an inch, so you can only see Zehm’s legs but not his head where the blows were landing and not his hands, which were empty until he was on his back and he reached to the right and got a soda off the display. There are two “end caps” in the store, that have soda’s in them. The one furthest right is clear, but the one near Zehm is blurred. There was also another view, that was shown once, and now doesn’t exist.
brianrbreen on January 06 at 2:32 p.m.
@Verbal
IMO, it has to start at the top and unless the grunts know they are going to get their butt kicked if they step out of line, not much will happen. You really have to monitor what is going on and not just statistically. When you see the cowboys gathering the herd you have to put a stop to it, and that didn’t happen in Spokane. The only job advertisement for the SPD now is for lateral transfers, as Zelda alluded to. I know it’s cheaper than molding your own from a civil service pool but I maintain you really don’t know what you are getting with a lateral transfer or the culture they are coming from, and as we have seen that can end up with big problems. Do you really want a lateral transfer from Seattle or LA? When you identify a bad one, you can’t give them chance after chance, there is a limit to progressive discipline and that limit has been exceeded time and again, but you have to do it right and fair, which hasn’t been done, and it has been costly. If the Condon administration buckles to the Guild and agrees to discipline issues being settled by secret arbitration rather than open civil service hearings nothing will change. I’m not sure if Condon has any idea how many Brady Cops he has, and some of them are in positions that make me wonder who the idiot was that made the assignments. If we don’t get some type of legitimate oversight soon we are toast, and I don’t believe the Ombudsman is legitimate oversight even with investigative powers. You only need to look at Seattle’s OPA and what that didn’t accomplish. It ain’t going to be pretty and it ain’t to be easy but I got my fingers crossed there will be a new direction…if not I suppose Shelala and I will be hanging out.
brianrbreen on January 06 at 2:33 p.m.
@Verbal
I forgot. The Guild is in the weakest position it ever has been, and now is the time to take advantage of that.
Verbal on January 06 at 2:46 p.m.
Brian -
Thank you very much for that response.
I worry for our city.
Shelala on January 06 at 2:47 p.m.
@Brian
If it could change, it would have. Come over to the dark side, my pretty….
brianrbreen on January 06 at 2:53 p.m.
@Shelala
I just took a medical from “The Dark Side” I can’t go back. :)
Shelala on January 06 at 3:04 p.m.
@Brian
Pssst…Talk to Rocky, tell em Karl sent ya.
lewis8457 on January 06 at 6:36 p.m.
so a convicted felon with a chip on his shoulder who has the entire police force behind him will walk the streets until march? is anyone in the justice department concerned for the safety of the average person the klubber might meet on the street?……….no i didnt think so.
did they take klubber baton away or is that hiding between his legs?
D Statler on January 06 at 8:40 p.m.
Nearly Beaten, Nearly Dead or Neatly Beaten,Neatly Covered
michaelm on January 06 at 9:55 p.m.
lewis8457, in case you missed it:
“Please keep it civil. Don’t post comments that are … threatening …”
Michaelm
S-R moderator
greenlibertarian on January 06 at 10:32 p.m.
Shelala on January 06 at 8:56 a.m.
Interesting link:http://srilankausa.weebly.com/un—forensics-hoax.html
Wow. WOW! Blue-helmeted UN guys and everything!
Fredericks is a *bad* paid expert. He’s a con-man. Just grease his skids, he’ll say anything.
Reminds me of the old Don Henley song, In The Garden of Allah:
Today I made an appearance downtown
I am an expert witness, because I say I am
And I said, ‘Gentleman, and I use that word loosely
I will testify for you
I’m a gun for hire, I’m a saint, I’m a liar
Because there are no facts, there is no truth
Just a data to be manipulated
I can get any result you like
What’s it worth to ya?
Because there is no wrong, there is no right
And I sleep very well at night
No shame, no solution
No remorse, no retribution
Just people selling T-shirts
Just opportunity to participate in the pathetic little circus
And winning, winning, WINNING!’”
He’s a “pro” all right. A professional muckraker, not truthteller.
Shelala on January 06 at 11:52 p.m.
@Greenlib
I just stumbled on the site when I googled his name.I notice the article is no longer available. I think I would treat this info with a grain of salt as it doesn’t seem like a reputable site. A little too wacko for my taste.
Shelala on January 06 at 11:58 p.m.
@Greenlib
I flagged myself:)
lewis8457 on January 07 at 8:08 a.m.
michaelm sorry this is a emotional subject to me.
generallyspeaking on January 07 at 10:27 a.m.
Drinking? Drugs?…OMG now you guys are grasping at straws…..hilarious!!
lewis8457 on January 07 at 8:53 p.m.
Sorry kids going off topic:
I give the police a hard time, I am old fashioned I believe the law should cover everyone equally. But I know there is a lot of good cops here in Spokane an I think if I survive my surgery Tuesday and can still walk. I will join the volunteer cops down at the Safety Building, maybe instead of complaining I can help by smiling and serving. I remember the volunteers when I was there with Argus and they were all great folks.
Back then I was a day porter Janitor yeh laugh used to it, I remember Stephen the new chief and he was a good guy, always nice to me. Very stern kind of stand up guy, aaa respectable I guess is the term. Back then he had an office you couldn’t swing a cat in. Those poor guys working for tucker sit in a closet, I kid you not, I always thought if I went through law school my office would be bigger then a bread box.
I remember Karl Thompson, Jay Olsen, many others whose names aren’t public knowledge, all nice guys to me back then. I do remember the sheriff locker rooms all-military like walking back into my army days. The Jail now that is the worst place in the world to work, those poor people that work in there. I am surprised more of them haven’t snapped. Dirty, no paint no modern furniture. The intake room, and in cell folks I pity those guys and gals. Medical was about the only decent part but even it had 1950 equipment. Their lunchroom was, a big gray room with gray shelves and an old 1960 green-stripped sofa with chrome arms and legs and conference room chairs. Would not believe the gloom and I can not describe it. Juvenile a kid might be screaming and beating on the window in the intake area like a wild person on any given day, the cells lined in a T pattern, I could not figure out why someone would go to school to get a job to listen to and smell that 8 hours a day.
I knew a lot of the cops and liked serving them, I was proud to serve them, it was a great job, no I didn’t get fired laid off they called it, haha. But up to that end it was a great place to work.
I am far from a cop hater really I am. I was just shocked into reality when Otto died before then I just thought they did a good job, I waved at them I felt safe around them. Then when Otto died I just snapped.
Since then I have been on these blogs hating and complaining hating people I don’t even know and maybe in person we might get along. But I have bigger fish to fry now and if I see my maker I don’t want this on my back. For whatever reason, I think I will stop hating and try to help.
Be a couple weeks till you kids hear from me again if ever, haha take care love you all! MisJ , Brian, Ron, Squid, ………
One last thing I hate to mention this but if the cops that cleaned out Clouses house decide to clean mine out can you do me a favor and come between 9:30am and 2pm the old lady I have watching my animals will be gone at that time I hate for u to hurt her she is a nice person. And my dog will try to eat you so bring your gun. Thank you. Yes i know that was bashing but still it needed to be said, she really is a sweet lady.
brianrbreen on January 07 at 9:20 p.m.
@Lewis
I pray all will be well, and everything works out. Remember I still owe you a beer and I want to pay off.
lewis8457 on January 08 at 4:22 p.m.
I take you up on that Brian when i get better going to be a long recovery but I am lucky I have two of the best surgeon in Spokane working on me cause as they put it, it will be a challenge.
take care keep smiling.
brianrbreen on January 08 at 4:36 p.m.
@Lewis
What the heck you have always been up to a challenge…let us know when you are well… and I know you will be.
lewis8457 on January 08 at 8:23 p.m.
Deaconess Tuesday to ? ICU 3 days after surgery then, I don’t know how long, yes this is just my luck run out of unemployment no income no insurance get a lump i cant cut out myself with a dull knife and a bottle of whiskey. i must say everyone at deaconess has just been wonderful, the way they treat me you would never know i am a bum :))
SSI was kind enough to make me a 5pm appointment for a several hour memory test Monday night right before surgery at 6am next day, wasn’t that nice of them? A nice trick to treat the working class like dirt, work and pay in for 35 years and then they play trick so they don’t have to pay. If I don’t go cause i might want to spend dinner with family maybe for last time, then they can say I am not co-operating an deny my claim.
That is why i am against unions(jealous I admit it)so much no union guy goes through this trouble after working his butt of all those years he is hurt he gets coverage period the rest of us have to deal with SSI. Like working with the damn Nazis, i hate being treated like i am lying or cheating just because a lot of folks do, doesnt mean we are all bums.
any who life is just choices i have learned how to just let go of emotion and not be good or bad just be, i lost that when my fiancee died last august but i can see it again so i will be just fine you kids have fun on the blogs and should be home by next Tuesday.
I am really looking forward to the…..drugs…..
misjustice on January 09 at 7:04 a.m.
Hang in there Lewis!
I’ll be thinking of you…and waiting until your next post.
; )
lewis8457 on January 09 at 7:12 a.m.
thank you misJ have fun, be safe.
Shelala on January 09 at 11:53 p.m.
@Lewis
Hang in there. Sometimes your posts made me smile all day.
lewis8457 on January 10 at 4:51 a.m.
thank you Shelala sitting here waiting for my ride, had a 4 hour mental eval for SSI last night took my mind off it for a while.