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Something doesn’t smell right with toilet install

By Tim Carter Tribune Media Services

Dear Tim: My husband installed a new gasket on the toilet in our master bathroom as part of adding a new ceramic tile floor. He’s pretty handy, but soon after I noticed a sewer gas odor in this room. He can’t smell it, and I’m reluctant to have him do the job over. The toilet doesn’t move, the caulking is perfect so I can’t imagine where the odor is coming from. For years there was never an odor. What needs to be done to correct this? – Vikki H., Henderson, Ky.

Dear Vikki: The toilet bowl gasket was not installed correctly. The smoking gun is the fact no odors were ever present before your well-intentioned husband started the bathroom remodeling job. I’m afraid that he needs to start over, but we need to discover what he did wrong so this second attempt gets it right.

As for the source of the odor, it is probably the holes where the toilet bolts pass through the ceramic toilet bowl base, which are usually never sealed. The sewer gas that’s wafting past the toilet wax gasket can easily seep past the bolts and the decorative caps. The caulking between the base of the toilet bowl and the floor will do nothing to stop the odor if these bolt slots are unsealed.

The seal between the toilet flange and the toilet bowl is critical. The toilet flange is the transition fitting that allows you to connect the toilet to the drain piping. Not only is there the issue of sewer odors, but vermin and water can also get through this joint if the toilet gasket is not making positive contact.

When you replace a toilet gasket, you need to pay close attention to many details. One thing homeowners, and some rookie plumbers, fail to look at is the recessed area under a toilet bowl.

This part of the toilet is often about 3/4 inch deep. The distance is measured between the bottom of the toilet bowl (i.e., where it contacts the finished floor) and the underside of the unglazed porcelain outlet where the wastewater exits the toilet.

The next thing you should pay attention to is the thickness of the toilet wax gasket. Most of them are no more than 7/8 inch thick. I’ve measured many, and some are just 3/4 inch thick.

You may be wondering why these dimensions are important. For a toilet gasket to seal properly, the space between the underside of the unglazed fixture, where the water exits the toilet, and the top of the toilet flange should be no more than 1/2 inch.

If you do a little math, you’ll discover that this means the top surface of the toilet flange should be above the finished floor surface at least 1/4 inch. The top of the flange should be level, and the flange must be secured to the floor so it doesn’t move.

It’s possible that your husband wasn’t aware of this important point. The top of the toilet flange may have been flush with the floor, or even sticking up too high. I’ve seen toilet flanges installed by inexperienced plumbers and homeowners that were an inch or more above the finished floor.

When a toilet flange is too high, a poor seal can result because all of the wax gets squeezed out between the toilet and the flange as the toilet is secured to the flange.

In your case, I think an autopsy will reveal that the toilet flange got buried by your new flooring. This is a common mistake: A homeowner may install ceramic tile in place of a sheet vinyl floor. By the time ceramic backer board is put down and the new tile laid, the top of the toilet flange can be well below the finished surface of the floor.

When this happens, it’s entirely possible the toilet gasket never even touches either the flange or the underside of the toilet bowl.

Be sure your husband removes the toilet and discards the gasket he just installed. Clean the surface of the toilet flange as well as the underside of the toilet bowl. If the flange is not sticking up 1/4 inch above the surface of the ceramic tile, you can add an extender to the flange or use multiple toilet gaskets to achieve the seal.

If you use an extender to create a new flange height, be absolutely certain the gap between the existing flange and the extender is sealed with a code-approved sealant. Failure to do this could create both water and sewer gas leaks once again.

Another common mistake homeowners and rookie plumbers make is trying to level the toilet bowl as they install it. The toilet bowl needs to be level side to side and front to back, but this adjustment should be completed by dry setting the bowl over the flange without the toilet gasket in place. Use shims to get the bowl level. Then carefully lift the toilet bowl off the flange, keeping the shims in place.

I’ve had the best luck over the years installing the toilet bowl gasket on top of the flange instead of the underside of the toilet bowl.

I use the toilet wax gasket to help align the long toilet bolts. I then carefully start to slowly drop the toilet down onto the flange, trying to keep the bowl level as it drops closer to the floor. The shims ensure the bowl will be level.

If you attempt to level the toilet after the toilet gasket has contacted the flange and the underside of the bowl, you may break the seal as you lift one side of the toilet up to make the level adjustment.

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