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September 29, 2010 in City
Nationwide and close to home, poverty tightens its grip
Incomes fell last year as more sought help
U.S. Census Bureau data reflect what everyone knows: The recession that persisted in 2009 bit into pay and benefits, and cut jobs.
Poverty rates rose and food stamps were issued to more Americans, according to the bureau’s 2009 Community Surveys, released Tuesday.
In Idaho the poverty rate reached 14.3 percent of the population, or 216,115 people. The take-home pay of Idaho families dropped nearly 5 percent to $44,926 last year – one of the steepest declines in the country.
The Washington numbers were grim, too. Household income fell 1.7 percent, to $56,548, in 2009.
And an additional 73,122 people across the state are now living in poverty, according to the West Coast Poverty Center at the University of Washington.
The Census Bureau also found that women earn less than men. Though the report did not include compensation for comparable work, a wage gap remains.
In Idaho, for example, the median income for women was $29,122, but it was $40,440 for men.
Washington women earned a median income of $38,521, while men earned $51,305.
Parishes giving $1.5 million toward settling sex cases 
liarsinnews on September 29 at 6:41 a.m.
I`m left wondering if the citizens believe Obama, telling us the recession was over June of 2009?? More digested food through the bull.
JBlim on September 29 at 7:01 a.m.
I hope the Republicans are happy now. They’ve killed our trade unions and shipped all our jobs overseas, wasted our national treasure fighting wars on behalf of giant oil corporations in the Middle East, and enacted tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires. Then they have the nerve to try and blame Obama. What a crock.
ChefGus/ John Olsen on September 29 at 7:02 a.m.
What is clearly observable in our feeding and caring for the low income, elderly, disabled and distressed population in Spokane at Shalom at Central Methodist Church is that the number of folks filing in each morning for breakfast, and on Monday nights for dinner are increased in number, and palpable level of distress. Multiple faces of folks for dinner Monday past that I’ve not met before, and the average age of our friends and community members dining with us has dropped significantly.
Resources are stretched of course, but donations of time and talent and funds are actually increasing. It seems the leveling influence of this recession has made those that “have” more responsive and caring for those that “don’t have”… John
lewis8457 on September 29 at 7:05 a.m.
What Obamas plan hasn’t worked? The heck you say?
OK all Obama lovers all together now.
IT IS BUSH’S FAULT!
Scoutster on September 29 at 7:19 a.m.
Poverty is complicated, messy, and stubborn.
It’s not any president’s fault, Lewis, although I have no doubt Faux News is trying to play it that way.
dickadams… the announcement the “recession is over” is a technical one that Obama had nothing to do with and doesn’t help him.
mikeln on September 29 at 7:25 a.m.
Blim is right on most things except blaming the republicans. Both parties have joined forces and become the party of CRAP, the complete reaming of the american people. You are more likely to be visited by space aliens then you are of meeting an honest elected official.
eagleproducer on September 29 at 8:52 a.m.
I hate to point out their are five children in the family in the photo.
Five children? Really?
It’s possible to breed your way into poverty too. If one can’t support themselves, why have children you can’t support? I think it is one of the most selfish acts that humans commit: Bringing children into the world they can’t support.
de3 on September 29 at 8:59 a.m.
Good to see that the SR now accepts that the Spokane poverty rate is not 56% as was claimed by the school district in the school nursing clinics article 2 days ago.
Ninch on September 29 at 9:34 a.m.
Hey, blim? Are you speaking about the northeast steel mills (which have been bleeding for decades) because in reality the State of Washington is a big exporter of PRODUCTS and not jobs. For example agricultural and aerospace (Boeing) products are at the top of the list and thus tied to the global economy which weakened and we lost jobs here. (Note: last I looked Boeing was unionized.) Where our regional economy got hit big was the downturn in construction (both residential and commercial) which impacted more than just construction workers because it also basically shut down logging and wood products.
spokanecougar on September 29 at 11:02 a.m.
Still amazed how some people think Obama has done more damage in 19 months than Bush and Clinton and Bush 1 and Reagan did in over 30 years of enacting corporate loving policies that rewarded the rich and wealthy and that killed this countries middle class and manufacturing jobs.
I am a progressive liberal but even I can admit Clinton is just as much to blame for this mess than the republican presidents are….however those blaming Obama are just ignorant and misinformed idiots who know nothing about the last 30 years of economic policies that put us were we are now.
liarsinnews on September 29 at 11:14 a.m.
Before I add my comment, may I say, I think both the democrats and republicans should be ashamed of themselves. I for one would not belong to either party and consider myself a conservative independent. I must say, I`ve listened to individuals who blame either W, or Republicans for our financial dilemmas. I also know you can purchase a parrots and teach it to repeat the same stuff time and again. I would appreciate the parrots sound more knowing they are stupid and don`t have too prove it. You know what is said re a fool opening his mouth. He proves it, JBlim was bragging in one of his posts, that he pays more federal income tax than I do. That folks, is a bald faced lie.
Dazzeetrader1980 on September 29 at 11:25 a.m.
Obama did announce the recession was over last year in June. Of course he hasn’t told us how he knows that but he did say it. My issue is this: he wouldn’t know if a recession was on or if it was over. He has no training in the area.
Look around you. Believe your own eyes. Look at the falling GDP. Look at unemployment. Look at the falling dollar value. Look at housing as it falls through the floor. Schools subpar…he’s done nothing. Speaks well but does nothing.
Here’s the key though: IF the recession was over last June, why did the US need a stimulus package? Until you answer that or pry and answer out of Obama, you will require “willful suspension of disbelief” to make anyone else believe it.
It’s simply not true. Blame Obama for lying…..and if he lies once, he’ll lie again and again. Why? Because he’s trying to “hoodwink” America (again)….so his boys can be re-elected and support his ridiculous plans……and likely save his rear end from being thrown out of office in 18 months. Use your own eyes….you’re not stupid even though the elites want you to think you’re dumb as air.
spokanecougar on September 29 at 11:42 a.m.
Daisy, thank you for being an example to my above point with that post.
hawken on September 29 at 12:35 p.m.
Socialism and Socialist policies which always begin with big government and nationalizing industries…. such as health care, auto, banks, student loans, home mortgages, student loans etc etc… always cause greater poverty on the middle and lower income class.
Never in the history of the world has socialism elevated the people of a country. Over the last 50 years Dems and some Republicans alike are guilty of embracing Progressive, Socialist policies.
The natural outcome, historically, of such Socialist policies in increased national debt and the printing of money at unsustainable rates. End result….. increased poverty, increased debt, sooner or later…. inflation/hyperinflation!
It amazes me how you big government, socialist advocates attempt to rewrite history…. or just deny it all together…
It amazes me how you big government , socialist advocates can pound the small business owner who provides 90% of you jobs crying greedy…. greedy…. greedy… while at the same time you have no clue concerning the personal and family risks these small business owners have. Every time you oppress small business owners, you should expect it to be more hard to find a job. Government does not create jobs…. they self-servingly grow and enlarge their work force as well as control over our individual freedom and incomes, all the while increasing taxes, borrowing, borrowing borrowing and printing more money by the billions.
It amazes me that you big government, socialist advocates, are incapable of understand how intrusive, over-regulation by big government hurts us all…. Some regulation is needed…. Some.
It amazes me that you big government, socialist advocates don’t see the problem that big government is the largest employer in the country today.
USSR Socialism worked out well didn’t it? Chinese Socialism is working well for the middle and lower income Chinese isn’t it? The National Socialist Party worked out well in German in the 30s and 40s didn’t it? Oh, how about the people of North Korean and their communist/socialism… that seems to be productive. Ah,,,, maybe not…We could move to South American examples but my space is limited.
But then, who cares about history…. just keep sending my government checks and punish free enterprise every chance you get.
ChefGus/ John Olsen on September 29 at 12:46 p.m.
Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Finland…. and they seem to run along pretty well, with the happiest people in the world… Communism is not Socialism…. good grief… j
hawken on September 29 at 12:49 p.m.
Communism is not socialism! Oh my, how you demonstrate a shortage of critical thinking skills.
hawken on September 29 at 12:59 p.m.
Ref Sweden:
“Privately owned companies constitute 90% of the nation’s industrial output, of which the engineering sector accounts for 50% of output and exports.”
http://www.economywatch.com/world_economy/sweden/
Sweden has a strong capitalist economy.
hawken on September 29 at 1:01 p.m.
It is impossible for me to correct all of the misinformation you big government, socialist, advocates publish in this forum… There are too many of you and too few of me.
Dazzeetrader1980 on September 29 at 1:16 p.m.
It’s one step away Gus… What Obama wants is the “Democratic Socialism” in Germany. It’s just another name for Socialism. Same thing…
Trust your eyes people…not what he says. It’s meant to fool you. He think’s he’s Special, clever, cleansed as it were…he thinks you are the stupid great unwashed. Do NOT trust him.
Obama needs to go.
hawken on September 29 at 1:26 p.m.
Here’s a cite for all of you whom think that Obama care is the hope of the future….. Health Care Insurance Companies work on a 3% profit margin…. The best health care system in the world…. ours…. operates on a 3% profit margin! There are 84 other industries that have greater profit margins than Health Care Insurance Companies! I’ve never heard any big government, socialists acknowledge that!
http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2009/08/health-insurance-industry-ranks-86-by.html
hawken on September 29 at 1:34 p.m.
Quote:
“Socialism and communism are alike in that both are systems of production for use based on public ownership of the means of production and centralized planning. Socialism grows directly out of capitalism; it is the first form of the new society. Communism is a further development or “higher stage” of socialism.”
http://www.marxmail.org/faq/socialism_and_communism.htm
hawken on September 29 at 1:53 p.m.
Quote: Newsweek - 2/7/09
“We Are All Socialists Now
In many ways our economy already resembles a European one. As boomers age and spending grows, we will become even more French.”
http://www.newsweek.com/2009/02/06/we-are-all-socialists-now.html
hawken on September 29 at 2:30 p.m.
Let me offer more in light of the fact that I have yet to get a response from big government socialists on socialism…. So, how about Obama’s socialist “redistribution of wealth?”
Quote:
“The statistics speak for themselves. Only 62 percent of Americans pay federal income tax, meaning that 38 percent get a 100 percent refund of any taxes withheld. So Mr. Obama’s 95 percent that will receive money from the government includes roughly 33 percent of Americans who pay no income tax. One-third of Americans pay no income taxes yet would receive a government check of perhaps $1,000 or more.
That is pure income redistribution. Some pundits argue that this is Keynesian demand-side economics. It is not. Having the government take money from business entities or affluent individuals and giving it to those who pay no federal income taxes is not Keynesian. It’s Marxist.”
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/obamas_patriotic_tonic.html
MrNatural on September 29 at 3:55 p.m.
Well dip me in socialism and roll me in cracker crumbs… the raging troll rationale has pulled on the root of evil…and it’s as simple as stating the country weighs too much in assistance to the human condition. Maybe we need some sort of “final solution” eh?…fixed bayonets and treadmills…soylent green will save us???
…we are not socialists nor Marxists nor communists and yet we have poverty…and we had poverty back in the great depression too…a time of rampant greed and capitalism…oh!…you say we just survived a dose of rampant greed and capitalism with banker bailout…well go figure…
Please give privately to your favorite charity because the government is under fire….
spokanecougar on September 29 at 4:57 p.m.
Hawken how much are you being paid to be a shrill for the republican party?
Also, our current capitalist system doesn’t seem to be working to well for our lower and middle class either, just read the article.
hawken on September 29 at 5:17 p.m.
“Socialist Lust For Power”
Americans generally pick Franklin Delano Roosevelt as one of the greatest U.S. Presidents.
Why?
People usually say it is because he presided over two crises in American history - the Great Depression and World War II.
I contend that the limousine liberal FDR not only presided over these events, but was responsible for: 1) decimating the U.S. economy through government intervention; and 2) lying to the American people about their so-called interests in World War II.
FDR’s meddling wasn’t confined to 1933-1945. After his death, the New Deal programs continued (and continue) to destroy wealth and prevent growth. Unfortunately, modern-day Democrats worship FDR’s socialist programs and modern-day Republicans glorify the destructive statism of “the Good War.”
http://www.angelfire.com/pa/sergeman/cliches/depression.html
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I am not so naive to think that I am actually going to get a socialist, big government advocate to actually say…. “oh.? I never considered that! Maybe I should re-think my ideology!”
Or,,, to honestly say…”Yes, I am a big government socialist!” Like Obama, you want to mislead the people to think you are someone whom you are not.
Hey…. I am a conservative.
I am hopeful there are people whom read and assess what I have to say, what big government, socialist advocates have to say… and then vote accordingly in November.
So…. let me ask you this…. was FDR socialist in his policies during, before and after the Great Depression?
How about a straight up, simple answer to a simple question?
Yes…. Socialist…. No…. not Socialist
spokanecougar on September 29 at 5:35 p.m.
Hawken your an idiot. It is clearly obvious now that you are being paid by the republican party to find articles that support their lies and post them in forums all over the internet. I would have time to counterpoint everything you said, but, since I have a real job that takes up my time and since I am not being paid by the democrats to sit around and spread lies like you are by the GOP, I will just sit here and be amazed by your idiocy.
And don’t even try and to deny this as this is exactly what the GOP does and has been proven so.
hawken on September 29 at 5:39 p.m.
I get paid nothing, I am semi-retired and I am not sucking at the government teat. Yes, capitalism goes through cycles…..
Maybe you should read….
The Major Economic Cycles (1925) - Nikolai Kondratiev (also written Kondratieff)
He established that capitalism goes through 50 to 60 year cycles… along with a couple of Dutch economists in 1913. They argued that capitalism then cures itself if left alone to the free market.
Kondratiev was a Russian economist, but his economic conclusions were disliked by the Soviet leadership and upon their release he was quickly dismissed from his post as director of the Institute for the Study of Business Activity in the Soviet Union in 1928. His conclusions were seen as a criticism of Stalin’s intentions for the Soviet economy: as a result he was sentenced to the Soviet Gulag and later received the death penalty in 1938.
hawken on September 29 at 5:48 p.m.
Well spokanecougar…. you again demonstrate the typical, liberal, socialists, big government response…. when you can’t address the specific arguments of your opponent in debate get vicious with unfounded, name calling and try to discredit them personally,,, thus hoping to discredit your opponents points in debate.
Your logical fallacy is as old as the Bible… it is called
” ad hominem (Latin: “to the man”)”
Hopefully, others can see how you big government, socialist, Progressive, liberals respond in debate and then judge for themselves.
spokanecougar on September 29 at 5:59 p.m.
Also, love how you think calling me a socialist is hurting me. I would rather be a socialist than a fascist like most tea baggers and republicans and probably you are.
hawken on September 29 at 6:13 p.m.
spokanecougar:
No… not at all…. I not trying to hurt your feelings….those of your persuasion call themselves “Progressive Liberals of the Early 20th Century”…. ie; Hillary Clinton. I readily identify myself as a conservative…. and in fact, I’m very proud of that.
Regarding your follow-up name calling…. “fascist”… Let me help you with another definition….
fas·cism
noun \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\
Definition of FASCISM
a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
As my many posts will verify…. which by the way misjustice instructed me…. can be read by simply clicking on my handle… “hawken.”
I am a free market, small government, conservative…. which is antithetical to fascism, socialism, Marxism and communism.
The hi-tech lynching I get in this forum for my views is reminiscent of that Justice Clarence Thomas got at the hands of the Democrat Party during his confirmation hearings.
Nikolai Kondratiev suffered a physical, fatal lynching at the hands of United Soviet Socialist Republic for expressing the same views.
hawken on September 29 at 6:21 p.m.
Sorry spokanecougar: I failed to cite my source for the definition of fascism above….. Webster’s Dictionary.
misjustice on September 29 at 7:16 p.m.
Fourteen Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism
By Dr. Lawrence Britt
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
4. Supremacy of the Military
5. Rampant Sexism
6. Controlled Mass Media
7. Obsession with National Security
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
9. Corporate Power is Protected
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
14. Fraudulent Elections
http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm
misjustice on September 29 at 7:19 p.m.
@ spokanecougar; must be paid by the # of posts.
JBlim on September 29 at 7:34 p.m.
hawken do you accept your Social Security check or send it back? Yes or no.
misjustice on September 29 at 7:53 p.m.
Re; 14 characteristics of Fascism.
I neglected to note that from 2001-2008 we were living under (NeoConservative) Republican’t Fascism. But us Flaming, World Citizen, Progressive/Liberal, Socialist, Maoist, Taoist, Community Organizing, Volunteering, Unionists, Communist, Radicals already knew that.
The link goes to the page that expands on the 14 characteristics. After reading it, I thought that I must have stumbled onto the RNC’s go to reference guide/playbook for 2000, 2002 and 2004, 2006, oh and 2008. And probably 2010.
; )
liarsinnews on September 29 at 8:02 p.m.
I remember vividly the great depression, more especially the years, 1935 through 1940. I can remember, high unemployment, people struggling to have food, CCC camps, WPA, and on and on that did not work. FDRs failure to providing any fixes that actually worked and throwing money at other solutions but in fact, did not work. What saved our country and took us out of the depression, I hate to say it, was WWII. Period. You have to be at least as old as I`m to know about the facts during that era. To know about WWII, and the horrible mess and suffering, the gold stars in windows, the black outs and all the other stuff most of the younger adults know nothing about. History books were written full of stuff that was not true doing a terrible injustice to the country and the world. When I read the many posts from people who think they know everything that happened during the great depression but very few understand what it was like and it takes persons my age to recognize, that some comments posted the writers have no idea what they are talking about.
hawken on September 29 at 8:29 p.m.
OK… let me try to catch up with you guys….
1- misjustice: I have already stated, defined and declared that my small government….conservative view is antithetical with Fascism, Socialism, Communism, Marxism…. So what exactly is your point? Also you again demonstrate your hypocrisy when on previous post you reprove another state that no one on this forum has to prove anything to anyone…. yet you an spokanecouger refuse to accept my statements that I have no connection with or am I paid by the GOP. Let me state it again…. I am a small government conservative…. There are lots of Progressive, Liberal Republicans…. and the vast majority of the Dems are Progressive, Socialist Liberals in their world view and big government policies… This needs no statistics…. it is “prima facia” valid upon it’s face….
2- JBlim: I’m 59 yrs old and don’t qualify to receive social security… Isn’t it bit embarrassing to keep making false assumptions, using them as a false premise in your retort? Apparently not.
Here is my view on Social Security: People whom do qualify for Social Security and have a life expectancy retirement income of $250k or more should not get any social security…. yes even though they have paid into the account for decades…. Social Security is not sustainable as it exists. You think this might stir the ire from my conservative colleagues?
3- dick adams: with all due respect, younger people have the capacity to learn the horrible facts about the great depression and the horrors of WWII without having lived them. I do agree, your first hand experience can never be understood by those of us who did not live in that period. You are correct that it was WWII that got us out of the great depression…. NOT the Socialist Policies of FDR.
Did I miss anyone?
hawken on September 29 at 8:31 p.m.
jBlim: by the way…. I get a social security report every once in a while. I have been paying into the system since I was 14 yrs old… let’s see…. 59-14= 45 yrs now….
misjustice on September 29 at 8:35 p.m.
JBlim; retired WSP (or other State trooper), I think that means a socialist state pension, not Social Security,(yet that is).
hawken on September 29 at 8:44 p.m.
misjustice; I am not a retired state trooper…. I have no government pension of any kind…. I was in fact a state police officer for many years, with distinguished service for over 15 years promoting into top command positions…. and then went on to other things in my life…. Here I am again defending myself, correcting your false assumptions and misinformation…. and still have no credible, specific response to the facts I present. You really are shameless with your personal attacks.
JBlim on September 29 at 8:54 p.m.
So hawken, will you be refusing that Social Security check, or are you a non-socialist only when it suits you?
hawken on September 29 at 9:05 p.m.
JBlim: I have fully explained, responded to, corrected your innuendos, your false assumptions, your misinformation, your name calling and challenged your Socialist world view… none of which you have responded to with any critical response…. Now, you ask me what I might or might not do six years from now? And just to repeat myself again, it is my opinion that people whom have a life expectancy retirement income of $250k or more should get no social security even though they have paid into the systems for decades… I’m just using the President’s number…. $250k. How about a response to this without your viciousness?
You socialists are masters of illogic, avoiding the question, vicious name calling, trying to change the subject… all the while totally incapable of a reasonable debate on the issues!
hawken on September 29 at 9:37 p.m.
JBlim…. Misjustice…
it’s approaching my bedtime…. I’m just wondering if I need to respond to anymore of your hateful retorts tonight?
Or, maybe you do have something to say tonight which has some measure of intellectual integrity which I need to consider.
Hey,,,, I’m just trying to be accommodating.
JBlim on September 29 at 9:43 p.m.
hawken, I already told you in the “Regence BlueShield dropping child-only health plans” that I was a free market capitalist, yet you keep calling me a socialist. Then you accuse ME of “name-calling.” I really don’t recall calling you any names. But maybe I forgot. What exactly did I call you?
zelda on September 29 at 10:05 p.m.
Yes, it was WWII that pulled the U.S. out of the Depression. *Winning* that war helped immensely, esp. since it clobbered the British economy and the U.S. was the only major combatant that wasn’t bombed to smithereens (mainland) or lost 25% of its men under age 30.
The period after 1865 also led to great prosperity in America with the rise of the robber barons. So if war is good for America, another civil war could be even better and judging by this thread, one could break out any minute.
hawken on September 29 at 10:14 p.m.
Well… now you really have me confused…. you are a self proclaimed “free market capitalist”…. yet in all of the strings where you and I have interacted, you defend the socialist world view???
Let me quote you from this string (ref name-calling):
1- “hawken do you accept your Social Security check or send it back? Yes or no. ”
2- “So hawken, will you be refusing that Social Security check, or are you a non-socialist only when it suits you?”
Clearly, your questions strongly support the socialist world view. You question my conservative world view, my integrity and my veracity when I am clearly on the record as a conservative…. and I have answered your innuendos with your two questions above…. which I think any reasonable person would agree are questions that defend a socialist world view.
If you truly are a “free market capitalist” seems to me that it would be easily discernible, obvious to all in this string and others where you and I have gone head to head…
Obama too claims to be a “free market capitalist”… here’s the quote… Do you think that Obama is a free market capitalist? Maybe that will bring some clarity to this matter.
Obama Quote:
“I think that there’s always been a spectrum of opinion about how unfettered the free market is. And along that spectrum, I think there have been some who believe in very fierce regulation and are very suspicious of globalization, and there are others who think that it’s always — that the market is always king. And I think what we’ve learned here, but if anybody had been studying history they would have understood earlier, is that the market is the most effective mechanism for creating wealth and distributing resources to produce goods and services that history has ever known, but that it goes off the rail sometimes; that if it’s completely unregulated, that if there are no thoughtful frameworks to channel the creative energy of the market, that it can end up in a very bad place.”
BARACK OBAMA, press conference, Apr. 2, 2009
hawken on September 29 at 10:27 p.m.
JBlim:
I’ve reviewed maaaaaany of your other posts on other strings.
What you claim to be…. “free market capitalist” and what you defend and attack…. are mutually exclusive….
I am not convinced based upon your own posts that you are free market!
If anyone else wants to assess JBlim’s claim that he is a free market capitalist: 1- it should be readily apparent in what he actually argues…. 2- take a look at his posts…. Just click on his handle JBim… and see for yourself what he has defended and attacked… I am not persuaded that he is a free market capitalist… regardless of what he claims.
Compare that to my many, many posts… is it not like day and night?
JBlim on September 29 at 11:00 p.m.
Well hawken, What names did I call you? Put up or apologize. Why are you talking trash?
You state as evidence that I supposedly am a “socialist” the fact that I asked you if you will accept your Social Security check. Are you kidding?
Then you say “Compare that to my many, many posts… is it not like day and night?” Comparing me to you has nothing whatever to do with whether I am a free market capitalist or not. By the way “free market” doesn’t mean corporations get to do whatever they want, commit crimes, or disobey government regulations.
Scoutster on September 29 at 11:03 p.m.
Can we get Hawken his own sandbox?
misjustice on September 30 at 7:44 a.m.
Who made Dr. Hawken the thread monitor?
greenlibertarian on September 30 at 12:21 p.m.
“Obama did announce the recession was over last year in June.”
-Daisy
Obama announced nothing of the sort.
People who make things up, like Daisy here, will be challenged on their promulgations of falsehoods.
” Mon Sep 20, 1:14 pm ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The recession ended in June 2009, making it the longest downturn since the Great Depression of the 1930s, the National Bureau of Economic Research said on Monday.
The NBER, considered the arbiter of U.S. recessions, said its declaration did not mean the economy had “returned to operating at normal capacity” and cautioned that economic activity sometimes remains below normal well into expansion.
President Barack Obama, under pressure to speed up the pace of recovery and drive down unemployment as November congressional elections near, said the official end of the recession did not change the grim reality for many people.
“Economists may say that the recession officially ended last year,” Obama said. “Obviously for the millions of people who are still out of work, people who have seen their home values decline, people who are struggling to pay their bills day to day, it’s still very real for them.”
The NBER’s business cycle dating committee, a private sector group composed of academic economists, is notorious for taking its time in declaring the start and end of recessions. … ”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100920/bs_nm/us_usa_economy_nber
hawken on October 01 at 9:16 p.m.
MY PUBLIC APOLOGY TO JBLIM: On All his strings
JBlim is correct…. It was not JBlim that called me “wing nut.”
I did in fact confuse him with someone else. JBlim…. please accept my sincere apology.
I am embarrassed and genuinely sorry.
ChefGus/ John Olsen on October 02 at 7:13 a.m.
GreenLib… nice to have your clear concise voice back on the blogs… hope all is well…. j